So is being gay a choice or not?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Sadistic-Savior, May 9, 2013.

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Is being gay a conscious decision or based on biology?

  1. All Gay people are gay because of biology or genetics, not choice

    40.9%
  2. Most Gay people are gay because of biology or genetics, not choice

    45.5%
  3. Few Gay people are gay because of biology or genetics

    6.8%
  4. All Gay People make a conscious decision to be attracted to the same sex

    6.8%
  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless you are gay.....whatever answer you give id uninformed. I am not, so I will simply give opinion:

    Likely,(as with hetero sexuality).....it is a combination of environment, emotional state, and genetic disposition. Trying to simplify human sexuality makes it rather clear the individual doing so has a limited understanding to begin with.

    I may think you woman is Butt ugly, wonder why you are with her.....but I do not know.

    I might see you ugly a$$ with pure hotness....and try to understand why she picked you, but I do not know.

    You may wonder.....but you do not know.




    Deal with it.
     
  2. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of the few reputable studies on the biological bases of homosexuality was done by Stanford back in the 90's...and they back up your statement completely.

    Sexual orientation might not be completely genetic, but there is nothing that supports the notion that it's a choice.
     
  3. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    More people who formerly thought of themselves as gay than there are people who now consider themselves gay, is a pretty good indication.
     
  4. Johnny-C

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    People don't consciously choose their sexual-orientation; that's pretty clear.
     
  5. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    *sigh*

    There's no specific way to vote on this poll, since my answer to the OP's question is not a simple "yes or no" answer, however, I will try my best to answer his questions.

    I personally believe that even if there is some genetics involved in homosexuality (such as a genetic predisposition to it), people are not programmed to be a certain way and they can still change their sexual orientation.
     
  6. dixon76710

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    Yeah, like my preference for chocolate ice cream.
     
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    Yes, but some gays do change their sexual orientation, so it's not like somebody's sexual orientation is set in stone.
     
  8. leekohler2

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    Believing something does not make it reality. There is absolutely no proof that what you say is true. As a matter of fact, even Exodus International has shut down after admitting to be unable to change people from gay to straight.

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    No, they don't. They may abstain from sex or force themselves into heterosexual relationships, but their orientation does not change.
     
  9. Goldwater

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    They're just denying their homosexuality, they are still gay
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    You know, I'm not ever going to say that some relatively rare number people cannot make that change. Yet, I'm certain that many cannot change their sexual-orientation and do not wish to change it, not anymore than most 'heterosexuals' would want to.

    After all, the worst part about being homosexual for most homosexuals is what they have to deal with 'socially'; believe me... the sexual attraction and love-making is NOT a problem at all.

    It may not be set in stone, but it makes no sense to pry someone from a "mold" they are perfectly comfortable with. And if you cannot fathom what I'm saying... ask a "straight" person if they would like to 'pressed' into being a "gay" frame of being.

    So, while I see your point, I'm certain that it is hardly the most healthy or practical thing to put a person through... in the vast majority of cases.
     
  11. Johnny-C

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    Sam, this is not like a 'religion'; it is not merely a matter of 'belief'.

    If a person could become 'straight' as you seem to 'believe'... I'm sure that I would have been. Not that I didn't and still don't ACT as straight as an arrow... but that as a man, you know that you are gay when you look at another attractive man and... SOMETHING JUST MOVES. ;) There is no 'switch' or 'belief' which changes that... not for likely 99+% of people anyway.
     
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    Exactly.....no sane person would make a choice that causes them to be oppressed by people like Dixon
     
  13. Johnny-C

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    I almost went to tears inside, but what you said above... is perfectly on the mark!

    Thank you.
     
  14. Johnny-C

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    I KNOW that is what they are doing; I did that for decades. I had to stop 'pretending' or lose my mind.

    I'm happy to say that I'm both gay and sane. :)
     
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    You're more than welcome.

    My big brother didn't come out till he was 30, and had been living with his partner for 5 years. I've seen the depression the closet can cause, and he never quite thrived untill he came out. I think it's especially hard on people who are by nature, very honest like my brother is.

    I do find it odd that when straight homophobic guys don't make the connection that they have no choice about whether or not they're attracted to women. The boundaries within their own orientation, are the same as anyone else's, including LBGT's.........but they don't get it......:roll:
     
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    Withholding tax breaks and entitlements from all couples other than heterosexual couples, isn't oppression when applied to a couple that happens to be gay.
     
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    Sex for procreation only. Any other reason is lack of self control. I hope you able to control yourself.
     
  18. Johnny-C

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    I think that many "straight" guys gloss-over that "connection" you speak of and fall into homophobia. The homophobia is like a 'drug' for some. :(
     
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    Silly made up nonsense, invented in a pathetic attempt to help gays come to accept their own sexuality. Most people are endowed with an intrinsic, biological, evolutionary adaptation that compels an attraction to the opposite sex and a perpetuation of the human species. Just as some people are born without arms, some people are born without this attraction. But the absence of an attraction to the opposite sex doesn't necessitate an attraction to the same sex. It simply makes it easier for one to develope
     
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    You think it is made-up. Still, it has been observed by many. How do you explain it?
     
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    Awwwwww. Does my oppression drive you to tears Johnny? Says more about you, than it does my "oppression".
     
  22. Johnny-C

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    Your homophobic mindset is noted.

    And if you think I am weak because I admit emotion, then I'm certain that you have not learned very much in this life.
     
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    Youve observed an attraction to the same sex. You only assume its an "intrinsic, biological, evolutionary adaptation that compels an attraction to the" same sex. You believe because you sooooo desparately need to believe.
     
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    Wow, swing and a miss by a mile. "Homophopic"???? More like a whiney liberal than a homosexual. They do seem to go together well within an individual. Says more about your character as a man, not as a homosexual. And not because you admit emotion but you admit emotion over MY so called "opprression".

    Sooooo which state are you and your boyfriend going to go get married in so you can get these federal benefits youve been crying about for years? Escape the biggest amount of the "oppression" Too bad with 13 states now for you to choose from as a gay man, and still there isnt a one where the sweet single grandmother and mother, working together for over a decade raising 3 great children, can go to to get the same benefits you are now entitled to. Is she "oppressed" as well, or is it just the gays that have been oppressed by this governmental preference for mothers and fathers to raise their own kids theyve brought into the world, because gays cant participate?
     
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    Oh look, it's yiur favorite strawman
     

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