So what does the [theisitc] God do exactly?

If we kill a battery, we must charge it. God will not charge it.
If we fall and break an arm, we must mend it. God will not mend it.
If we are drowning, we must swim. God will not save us.
If we are walking to a shower to be gassed, we must deal with it. God will not save us.
If we are under gun fire in a theater, we must escape. God will not stop bullets.
If we are to end hunger, we are to end on our own. God will not end it.

If we must do everything on our own (duh), then what does God do exactly?

Please be explicit.

 

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That fails to address the question.

 

Your premise is faulty, therefore, so is your conclusion.

 

What did the God of the Old Testament do? Primarily all he did was kill people. He did feed the Israelites for 40 years and he prevented their clothes and shoes from wearing out during that time. Later on he had people eating their babies.

God was a no-show in the New Testament. He only showed up once as a disembodied voice and as a bird.

 

The birdy was likely representative of Aquila ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_(constellation) ), a constellation very near Aquarius. Aquarius himself was John the Baptist, and Christ's baptism happened in the part of the narrative representative of when the sun was passing through the House of Aquarius, which is in the Spring. Spring Equinox represents the time when Jesus began his ministry, which is analogous to the sun crossing the Ecliptic. As the narrative continues, we return to this time of the year after the Crucifixion (which was the sun's "death" and "rebirth" at Winter Solstice), at which point our solar hero Christ "ascended into heaven" to be seated at the right hand of daddy-o.

May God strike me dead this very instant if I am telling a lie.

Edit: (still alive)

 

Then the premise of the threads God Doesn't Let Children Starve, We Do and the slavery one are faulty as well.

 

Oh. So you think that excuses your lack of logic?

 

God is not a director, and not a manager; we direct our paths.
God is not a influencing character; we influencing our lives by ourselves.
God is a fundamental power; we accomplish the power, and we continue to discover and investigate.
God is a unlimited knowledge; we have to insist on investigating it.
God has created everything, even us; our role in this game, is to change the world by ourselves, as we wish for it to be directed.
God is an omnipotent character, an onmniscience and an omnipresent character which can do everything; he's too chaste to participate in our silliness developments and our day by day lives.

 

What would the reason be for god to create us in the first place?

Experimenting? (he ought to know all the questions and all the aswers , so what would be the point?)

Feeling lonely?

Boredom?

I want to ask you religious people, ignoring the obvious "god works in mysterious ways" , what is your take one why we were created?

Speculate! it can hardly be an offensive thing to do?

Would you agree that it at least looks a bit on the sadistic side?

 

Generating life is the natural outgrowth of Love.

 

But surely he'd be in love with himself then wouldn't he?

I am sorry, althought it's a beautiful quote, it doesn't quite address the question.

Do you believe there have been many gods , or just your preferred one?

 

I believe in One God. I believe that One God existed before and beyond time. I believe shadows of that One God are found in many human expressions that interpret the splendor that is the universe. I also believe that the faith that comes closest to expressing the actual reality of the Mystery that is the One God is found in Catholic theology. Creation is the flow of reality that occurs via the expression of God's essence.

Does that answer your question?

More simply:
Q: Why did God make us?
A: Because that's how God is.

 

Let's take the notion of "God is all love" at face value. He (or she - but for simplicity I'll use "he") then in the quest of spreading love, created misery too.
Every single misfortune and catastrophe would be a direct result of him knowinly creating it.
Do you think he'd calculated that every single negative thing would not be enough to offset his greater scheme of goodness?

Take the horrific Ebola virus, presumably his creation - what could possibly be the purpose of creating it? What is your take on this?

I've heard about man and "free will", so let's take the case of a wounded animal, it can take weeks of overwhelming suffering before it finally dies. Why would a god want his innocent creatures to suffer?

Earthquakes, tsunamies, meteorites, volcanoes would be put there in place, by him - and him alone. Neither of these things have a will of their own.

Is "sharing love" in this matter worth the negative consequences?

I am well aware that this has been debated as long as the concept of god - but can you acknowledge that the reasoning is valid (from a nonbelievers perspective)?

 

God doesn't have to examine something to know what will be the consequence of the experiment.

 

The only thing these questions and "answers" point to is the arrogance of religion. It is often said by theists that atheists are self worshipers that we are arrogant in our "assumption" that God doesn't exist.

There is nothing selfish about believing in yourself and others and certainly nothing arrogant about rejecting an extraordinary claim when there is no real evidence to support it.

Arrogance lies in the very claim made by theists that not only does God exist but we know his name. It's one thing to suggest that the knowledge of God if he/she/it exists could be contained in a book or series of books or a whole library of books written by a life form floating on a speck of dust in the great expanse of the universe but when you tell us you know something that cannot be known you jump over faith and take a leap of logic and reason and through your arrogance you place yourselves above everyone else who doesn’t also just know it to be true.

It is far more likely that the reason God won’t help us is because he isn’t there.

When someone must constantly change their story it’s because they either don’t know or they’re lying.

 

There is no evidence of a god manifesting itself in reality and a god that does not manifest itself in reality is completely indistinguishable from a nonexistant god. So my answer s that God doesn't do anything, but I see no way to be specific... LOL!

 

They are basically deists.

I simply.take whet they say and end it with a question mark.

 

This, the answer. God is not here to influnce, he decided to give you the chance to live independently and not as a robot. Be grateful and smile.

 

Funny how Felicity doesn't seem to have an answer to this.

Apparently our loving God wanted to create life, but he also wanted it to suffer and die a lot.

 

And just how do you know this?

 

I have a question for you. Why should anyone believe your version of God over anybody elses? Or, if you prefer, why should anyone believe your chosen religions version over any other version?

 

Some of us have jobs and family obligations, dear.

 

Well...In a sense, I suppose. In the absence of love there is misery, but is that "creating misery," or is it just a natural consequence of the existence of something? What I mean is, Darkness is the absence of light, cold is the absence of heat. Does that mean that light created darkness, or heat created coldness? I don't think so--it is just the natural state of existence.

As noted above, I believe you are operating under a false premise here.

I don't think it matters. Often good comes out of bad. There is nothing entirely absent of some good--whether it is obvious at the moment, or not.

Again--I don't think you are operating under a proper premise, but to address the question of God's permitting evil...it is, again, the result of the state of things. Just as we must nourish our physical bodies, the grand schema of societies must be nourished. Sometimes the system gets out of whack due to minor imperfections compounding and rippling outward over time--this results in social ills that seemingly have no cure--illness and disease, war and famine, objectification and abuse...Yet there is a cure that can be attained by striving forward toward the balance of perfect love that was "in the beginning" and bore the universe perfectly and in perfection.

Freedom is a gift. Without it, man would be without reason and would be programmed and ruled by instinct and gratification. With freedom we are honored as autonomous beings--we are little gods of our own life's direction. There is awesome power in that--and awesome danger. due to our freedom that pebble of imperfection was cast into the ocean of time and grew outward and compounded to the seeming chaos we see when we look at starving children or abused animals. It is the result of misused freedom--freedom not acted on in the perfect love that is God.

Anyway--that's my answer to the "problem of evil." It is counteracted with love in accord with the love of the One God.

 

That is their struggle, not mine. I can witness to what I believe to be true, but I can't make anyone believe, nor would I try to--one needs to love in freedom.