So when Trump wins the popular vote on election day, but then Biden wins ...

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Something to speciously whine about instead of getting on with her life.
     
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    Its only 'interesting trivia' when and until someone with an agenda decides it shouldn't be. Tell people its important long enough and loudly enough and a % of the population will believe it. Spin, marketing and politics
     
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    This is not the first time a President lost the popular vote but won the office.
     
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    States are areas of land, they don't vote. PEOPLE VOTE.
     
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    Well, start your constitutional amendment process and try to get it changed. You'll need 34 states to agree that it should be changed. IOW - it won't ever happen.
     
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    Unfortunately your right.
     
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    It's also very informative. Something that is bad for 34 of the 50 states, is probably bad.
     
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    As long as California and New York increasingly vote overwhelming single-party for Democrats (and other states don't change voting patterns), then Democrats can have a higher and higher "overage" of the popular vote and still not win the electoral college.

    In other words, it doesn't matter if CA and NY have 20 million or 40 million "blue" voters. The popular vote margin may increase dramatically, but the outcome of the election can stay the same.

    Pollster Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight said this week that for a "safe" win, Biden may need as much as 5% of the popular vote.

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    When was the first time you voted in a national election? Never if you are an American citizen voting here. Tallying up all the STATE elections for THEIR electors is not an accurate reflection of a national popular vote and the closer that tally the more that holds true.
     
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    Fortunately he is right.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    False STATES are populations of state citizens with their own governments and sovereignty. The Constitution recognizes the Federal Government, the United States, the States and the People.

    And IF you State legislature allows you to vote for your State's Electors it is ONLY within your state it is not a national vote.

    Amazed at what they must be teaching in high school civics classes these days.
     
  12. Curious Always

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    People usually go with the narrative that suits their interests. If you recall, Trump once championed a national election over the EC.
     
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    No I don't recall and don't care what he may have said. Our system is a brilliant design by the founding fathers which still works as planned.
     
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    Well as of right now, unless you live in a key state your vote is irrelevant.
     
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    I'm a fan of the EC.

    My point in mentioning Trump is that people tend to change their minds about things when that certain thing works in their favor. Trump was against the EC until early November, 2016. Now he's a fan. Right now, the democrats hate the EC. Should their come a time when a Democrat wins the election, but gets fewer total votes, nationally, the left will love the EC and the right will be angered.
     
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    a vote is a vote, should we not count Trump's vote, he votes by mail

    we are in the middle of a pandemic, more will vote by mail this year

    the "popular vote" includes all votes, not just in-person votes
     
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    Heh.
    Let's say for a moment that Biden wins because he carried, say, Nevada - a vote by mail state - by 10k votes.
    Let's then say 20k votes for Trump were later found in some USPS employee's basement.
    Do you support overturning the election?
     
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    I think it is funny that I see numerous democrats in the newsrooms pining away about the possibility that Trump will win on election night then after the mail in votes are counted Biden wins, well first off how many of these people would be ok if Biden wins on Tuesday and then come 2 weeks later Trump is declared the winner, they would all 100% not have a problem with that, right? Give me a break.

    If a state cannot count ALL mail in ballots on election day then too bad. Maybe give them 24 hours after Nov 3rd, that's it. If mail in ballots are so great then figure out a way to count them on election day or jettison the whole idea.
     
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    If your ballot is postmarked by (date), there's no reason it can't be where it needs to be by 3 days after that date.
     
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    She conceded at 2 AM, whether that fits your narrative or not. Your post reeks of the whining you attribute to Clinton.
     
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    Lol.

    They are going to take at least a week to count (in some places).
     
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    And she still claims she should rightfully be president because she won the "popular vote" and has not accepted the results.
     
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    Well, yes. We're Democrats. By definition, we play fair.

    Now, back at you. We know Gore had more legal votes in Florida than Bush. That's not debatable. Overvotes with clear voter intent are legal votes, those votes were never even counted once, and if they were counted, Gore would have won, no matter what the chad standard was. So, given that Gore was the actual winner, do you now support "overturning the election" by removing any of Bush's judicial appointments that are still on the bench?
     
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    Nor have any of the people who voted for her.
     
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    I'm pretty sure you know your prediction, and your characterization, are false.
    If not, you should.
    The fact Bush won FL says it is -quite- debatable.
     
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