Solution to guns.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Brett Nortje, Jun 15, 2016.

  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    If deadly force is being considered, it means all other available options have either been exhausted, or are no longer a viable option due to the threat level at the time.
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Women are the fastest growing segment of gun buyers...Almost all manufacturers are offering guns in pink and purple, you obviously do not know the firearms market.
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Yet almost all other forms of violent crimes are up: robbery, rape, assault, home invasions...

    Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

    Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
    During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent. Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
    Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent. At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent. Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

    http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
     
  4. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    The very fact that you don't already know the answer to this question makes me wonder just exactly how much do you not know about your own state's gun laws.

    Sec. 9.33. DEFENSE OF THIRD PERSON. A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect a third person if:

    (1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or 9.32 in using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and

    (2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

    Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm
     
  5. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In Australia we've had ZERO mass murders since stricter gun controls 20 years ago

    In the US you've had 62 mass murders in the last 20 years

    Show me a country without crime... I can show you a country without mass murders.

    Also our population is much smaller than yours, turn those percentages you quoted into actual numbers and we'll talk again.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
     
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    Jack Links Well-Known Member

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    30 yr deputy told me you don't disarm citizens because criminals prey on the weak. The problem with these shootings is the lack of firepower of the victims or staff of the site. Armed security would be enough of a deterrent and effective firepower if not heeded.
     
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    Yes be nice to the people who want to rob and rape you, that'll make em stop.

    This has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever read. Just let people rape you and they might let you live. Not even a suggestion to pee on yourself, just carry a condom and go with it.

    This is soul-crushing disgusting.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to the internet, you've had at least 10 mass killings since 1996.
     
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    Heck you had a mass murder just last year. 8 people killed.....it was just done with a knife. Your gun control didn't work too well for that, eh? I think it's not the inanimate object, I think it's the evil in peoples hearts. Tell me how did the ancient societies cause mass murder when there were no guns? Why they used what they had.....Sorry to say it but it's just a matter of time before OZ has a mass with guns and all your laws will not stop it. It's just people and their intentions.
     
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    Too many flawed assumptions..

    1. Don't let lawful citizens have guns = no guns around. That is absurd. Guns are here. They cannot be 'uninvented'. The goal of a just society is to provide justice & deterrence to anti social behavior, not to badger the law abiding citizens, or remove their means of protection.
    2. 'When seconds count, the police are only minutes away'. people that rely only on the police have a name. 'Victims'. Those who take personal responsibility for their safety should not be bullied or insulted or blamed for social problems caused by stupid leftist policies.
    3. Access to firearms by lawful citizens does not correlate to the crime rate. Crime is a social problem & has reasons of its own. Disarming the lawful citizens only makes it easier for the criminals or the govt to oppress them.
    4. Your 'solution' is not a solution for any crime, but a ploy to disarm law abiding citizens.. it is a propaganda meme as part of the destruction of the American Experiment.
    5. Laws that are unenforced does not mean we need to make new laws. Just enforce the ones we have, for a deterrence to crime. Especially, correlating non enforcement of law on criminals to needing to disarm lawful citizens makes no sense. They do not correlate.
     
  11. scarlet witch

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    Imagine how many would have died if he had a gun, we don't have mass murders with guns, we still have crazy people

     
  12. Xenamnes

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    You would prefer deranged individuals left free in society where they can do the most harm?
     
  13. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes of course I do :roll: I want all the sane people locked up and all the crazy people armed and left running around...

    ask stupid questions, receive stupid answers

     
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    Present stupid positions, receive questions about what you believe.
     
  15. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol now you're just channeling your inner 5 year old

     
  16. Xenamnes

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    And you believe that deranged individuals are not a significant danger to the public, just so long as they do not have legal access to firearms?
     
  17. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me explain to you how this works

    You post your opinion and I post mine. You don't tell me (anonymous person on the internet) what I believe and...

    I don't tell you (anonymous person on the internet) what you believe.

    Because if we do, we're going to have to make (*)(*)(*)(*) up, like you're doing right now

     
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    He is saying in the USA women have rights and can carry a firearm. I guess SA is still dealing with some of that apartheid residue.

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    LOL, welcome to the forum.
     
  19. Battle3

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    But Australia has a high violent crime rate which went even higher when the ban went into full effect in 1996. The data for the chart attached is from the AUS Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports.

    violent_crime_rate - Copy.png
     
  20. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ha ha, I can see why you posted a png and not all the stats

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

    Violent crime > Rapes Australia 6,378
    Ranked 6th.
    USA 84,767
    Ranked 1st. 13 times more than Australia

    OMG look at the violent crime murder rate

    Violent crime > Murder rate Australia 229
    Ranked 42nd.
    USA 12,996
    Ranked 9th. 57 times more than Australia

    besides you have more gun related deaths than one of the top 10 dangerous countries in the world...

    you know what, you can quote stats till you're blue in the face it's never going to bring those people back


     
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    All of my posts regarding crime in Australia uses data directly from the Australia Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports and database. http://www.abs.gov.au/Crime-and-Justice

    All of my posts regarding crime in the USA uses data directly from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats/

    On this subject, I do not use secondary articles but go directly to the original unfiltered sources.


    As has been explained many times in the forum, Nation Master is totally unreliable. Look at the sources used in your Nation Master link, it lists the UN repeatedly - the UN is not a primary collector of crime data for the USA or Australia.

    And what is most amusing is that it lists Wikipedia as a source 14 times - Wikipedia!


    This is what the AUS Crime Reports show:
    In 1995, the year before the gun ban, total violent crime was 716.7 per 100,000 people.
    The gun ban triggered a huge crime wave which peaked in 2001-2002 with violent crime at 1015.7 per 100,000 (up 42%).
    The total violent crime rate is still above the pre-ban rate.

    Homicide alone went from 3.63 (1995) to 4.2 (2002-2002), then dropped to 2.4 by 2009 and is currently around 1.9.

    All the AUS gun ban did was to make AUS a much more violent society.

    Is decreasing a low homicide rate to a slightly lower rate worth the 1,000's of extra rapes, robberies, and severe beatings?
     
  22. scarlet witch

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    Call bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on your claims, need proof please

    sorry don't mean to be rude but a link to a page showing US crime stats from FBI is not good enough, where is the comparison to Australia? Neither is a png image from who knows where.

    You say believe me because I say so.

    My stats may be unreliable according to you, but your stats are entirely non existent
     
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    Women carry, men carry, even cops carry

    Say you are in a crowd and you do not carry.

    A wild eyed person is shooting. Do you prefer trying to outrun bullets or the guy next to you who does carry is aiming at the guy doing the shooting?

    Think of your savior as your personal cop.

    [video=youtube;682JLrsUmEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682JLrsUmEM[/video]
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I recall Brette from another forum.

    Brette, watch this video.

    To this very day, the Democrats blame the AR-15 weapon for the Sandy Hook, Ct, school shootings despite it never being taken there. To them, if it shoots, it has to be an AR-15

    [video=youtube;W8YuPPWuGW8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YuPPWuGW8[/video]
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Legally, you can own and fire a machine gun.

    This is how to do so legally.

    [video=youtube;Jw-ydGfsrbY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-ydGfsrbY[/video]
     

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