Something I have been thinking about.

Just following the instructions given in that most precious cookbook. Feeling is what is leading you to make demeaning remarks. Quit being emotional and be logical... that is your calling is it not.

 

You don't even have to consider, just be considerate of other people's religious beliefs. One day I was blessed by a nun, prayed for by Hare Krishnas and given some stickers, and gave money to a group of Muslims who were trying to help Iranian orphans which I found out later might have been a scam used to fund radical Islamist and/or terrorists. Either way, I was honoring them on their respective religious paths as it was their journey I was a part of, regardless of whether or not they were any part of my journey.

 

Well, that's how I consider a free religion. At the end, reading well the Gospels, Jesus didn't impose this or that moral model, His teachings were based more on common sense than on The Law [and this was a reason why some obtuse traditionalist priests saw Him with suspect ...].

 

Making it more general, religions are systems of beliefs, but any single individual uses a system of "beliefs" built upon education, culture, social experience, personal aspirations ...

So, at the end a "religion" is simply a system of beliefs shared by many persons. If Catholic parents don't teach Catholic religion to their children the Catholic system of beliefs would disappear in a generation. Nothing more simple than that.

 

No not for all people, hence the "so many" and not "all" in my comment, and please do show me where I say that people can or cannot believe what they will?

as to the proof, already know there are some who would not know the truth if it walked up to them and introduced itself .. but each to their own.

 

Jesus may not have done, religions do.

 

I agree, at the end, this is among the reasons why I believe in God [and in a certain way because of my cultural background], but I've got substantially no religion.

I define myself a Christian Protestant without Church ...

 

The problem is that some Religious Sects have built in to their Religious Dogma the necessity for members to EVANGELIZE.

Now....I cannot tell you the numbers of issues I have with this as if it was just an issue of a person of such a Religion simply asking me if I might be interested in hearing them out....I would politely say...No thank you. Have a nice day.

They would leave me alone and that would be it...and all would be right with the Universe.

PROBLEM IS....there is a growing number of Ultra-Religious Zealot Preachers out there telling their young members of Faith to go about their EVANGELIZING in a USED CAR SALESMAN'S MANNER OF DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!! YOU ARE SAVING THEIR SOUL!! ISN'T THAT MORE IMPORTANT THAN BEING AGGRESSIVELY RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS AND POSSIBLY GETTING ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING!!???

I have...unfortunately....run into these Used Car Technique Evangelists before and as I abhor rudeness I went the extra mile...UNTIL....when I attempted to close the door of my home one of them stuck his foot into my home stopping me from closing my door!!!

These people don't seem to understand that by acting like this not only are they in danger of possibly being SHOT by a homeowner....but by acting in such a manner they have lost any chance whatsoever of this person they are so obnoxiously not taking a NO from....EVER wanting anything to do with them or their religion!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Personally I am a non-believer, though I have a certain amount of respect for those with faith, I have little for those with religion.

I may not agree with many things people of faith believe, but that is their choice.

 

There simply came a time for me that further study of Christianity was pointless. Having read the books, and made comparisons to the books of other religions it became clear I was reading the same material written by different authors in many cases, and there is only so many times you want to reread the Hobbit....regardless of how good it is.
As far as people being a bit pushy about their faith...I simply snicker before ignoring them. I snicker because it seems to me they are pushing people away rather than "Spreading the Word", and ignore them because they have nothing to teach...other than their own opinions.

 

EXACTLY!!!

The sad thing is these people don't even realize that by acting like they are they are completely living their lives opposite to the teachings of Jesus!!!

I happen to know a great deal about exactly HOW the Bible and especially how the New Testament was CREATED by the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon and I always bring up a few things to forum members who tend to get TESTY when I might quote something out of the Bible that might be a word or two off.

Such as...and this is just the basic MEANING.....Jesus stated that it if you did not believe in HIM that was not as important as BELIEVING IN WHAT HE DID OR PREACHED.

Now when I posted this before I got a multitude of angry Bible Thumper's telling me I was warping the meaning and words of the Bible by misquoting it.

I replied since there does not exist a single existing ORIGINAL COPY GOSPEL and the closest in age FRAGMENT of a COPY of a Gospel was between 65 and 150 years older than when the original Gospel was written.

And that since the Roman's were killing Christian's and burning all Christian Gospels and Religious Texts those who made COPIES of those now destroyed Gospels HAD TO DO SO FROM MEMORY....and this process was repeated over and over again.

Thus we have absolutely NO IDEA exactly what the original Gospels actually said word for word and it makes a person complaining that I am not quoting a Gospel word for word seem kind of ridiculous complaining.

But what REALLY....freaks them out is when I explain that only 4 Gospels were used out of 12 Apostles and only a few books were used out of many and the reasons for the fact the Roman Biblical Canon only used the base Mark, Matthew, Luke and John's Gospels and not the other 8 Apostles Gospels is....THEY COMPLETELY CONFLICTED WITH EACH OTHER!!!

I also tell such Highly Religious Christian's who think that every word in the King James Bible is and has been the same words in the Bible since it's creation....if they take a version of the 1st KJB and compare it to one recently published they would see so many word changes and story changes their little HEADS WOULD EXPLODE!!! LOL!!!

Even if a person compared a KJB from the 1970's to one put out in the 2010's....they would notice all sorts of differences in the words and stories.

Right now they intend to get rid of the word...BEGETS....as this is overly repetitive and young people's attention span now days is LIMITED!!

AboveAlpha

 

Even if this reminds a quite Muslim approach to Christian scriptures, in particular the New Testament, [in the Koran there are references to the fact that Christians modified the "Injil", as Muslims call the Gospel, only one, the original one] it's a valid argumentation.

Actually the scriptures at the base of Christian faith are copies of something older [less or more reliable copies according to how much we are optimistic ...].

 

What does it matter which version of the Gospels are used, or how someone decides to interpret it. Not only have these writings been changed and edited into something barely recognized as the original (whatever that was), but every single Christian then gets to mentally edit whatever it says today based on what they wish to believe.

In reality there are as many versions of Christianity as there are Christians...and many of them like to tell other Christians they are not Christians which means there are really no Christians according to Christians.

Their God must be getting pretty pissed off and confused.

 

That is believing in Truth.
You believe in what seems to be Truth.

You do not believe in lies, as far as you know.
Right?

 

But even the Middle Class blacks moved out of the ghetto neighborhoods because crime is such a problem.
Blacks confuse racism with their high numbers of single mothers raising fatherless kids that perform 70% of all violent crime.,... most of it inside the cities.

Blacks have a notoriously infamous crime rate since 70% of the black single mothers are receiving Welfare and their kids are all raised together acting the same way.

The black leadership does not want to face this reality, so they just call racism instead of Fearfulness.

 

Funny, but if people do not tell one another what they believe, how does democracy actually work?

If one group believes in sexual prudence while the other group believes in sexual promiscuity, and no discussion takes place, actions foster promiscuity with the teenagers.

Shouldn't the religious sexually prudent people "talk" about the long term consequences that shall come in the future?

 

LOL. You get a gold star for the amusement value of that one. On the cutting edge, however, science and religion seem to be converging at last.

Probably not. The Big Cheese has the biggest and fastest computer in the cosmos, so is not daunted by such trivialities. Now with the internet linking minds and spreading enlightenment, the deal is getting sweeter than it's ever been in millions of years, if we can just keep the money-power mongers from getting us in a global train wreck.

 

That's not really the point, the idea that it was an acceptable form of racism concerns me, as in the end what's the difference between that and athiests saying they don't want someone preaching to them their religion?

 

Sure, I get annoyed when someone tries to convert me too. But in the end, if you deny them a chance to speak, aren't you still being a bigot to them? Now the reasons can vary, but in the end, it will points to someone being intolerant.

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Me too, I don't care what someone believes. My concern is that if someone wants to explain their beliefs to you and you shoot them down because you don't want to be preached to, isn't that still a form of bigotry? You're not even giving them a chance to explain what their beliefs are.

 

Man, I love it when Christians explain what their beliefs are. What I don't like is when they refuse to countenance the same consideration in return.

 

Are you under the assumption that Christians were not operating the Under Ground Rail roads, and such movements like Rev. Martin Luther king undertook???

 

I assume you except me from that generalization.
Right?

I supplied a long list of science based Stats on fatherless kids born to single mothers who experience Child Abuse and terrible experiences because of the sexual promiscuity we teach them.

I have only heard you continue to say sexual promiscuity hurts no one and religious people need stop pushing for it.
Truth, as our Lord, does not impress you.
And what religious people want in prudent sexual behavior annoys you, doesn't it?

 

Before 2000AD there has been little evidence to support many of the things Christians have learned and taught one another to believe in.
But today, I think I can use the facts to support everything the Bible tells us.

If you have something I should hear more about, try me out here.

 

Dave, my friend, I really don't care what the origins of your sex obsession are - it's the obsession itself I find unseemly. You don't seem able to see that it's YOU who spends inordinate amounts of time talking about and thinking about sex, not those of us who are getting some. What's that tell you?

 

You're forgetting that the Methodist Church broke up in the US over the issue of slavery, and Christanity was used as a reason for enslaving people.

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Name one person that likes that.