Speaking the TRUTH gets you labeled a "racist".

In Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no queues for people to jump. Australia has no diplomatic representation in these countries and supports the International coalition of nations who continue to oppose these regimes and support sanctions against them. Therefore, there is no standard refugee process where people wait in line to have their applications considered. Few countries between the Middle East and Australia are signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention, and as such asylum seekers are forced to continue to travel to another country to find protection.

People who are afraid for their lives are fleeing from the world's most brutal regimes including the Taliban in Afghanistan and Sadaam Hussein's dictatorship in Iraq. Antonio Domini, Head of UN Humanitarian Program in Afghanistan, states that Afghanistan is one of the most difficult places in the world in which to survive.

 

Under Australian Law and International Law a person is entitled to make an application for refugee asylum in another country when they allege they are escaping persecution. Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

People who arrive on our shores without prior authorisation from Australia, with no documents, or false documents are not illegal. They are asylum seekers - a legal status under International Law. Many Asylum Seekers are forced to leave their countries in haste and are unable to access appropriate documentation. In many cases oppressive authorities actively prevent normal migration processes from occurring. 'Illegals' are people who overstay their visas. The vast majority of these in Australia are from western countries, including 5,000 British tourists.

 

I didn't realise this was a popularity site. I always thought it was a site for rational thought and discussion. I suppose one can't always be right in one's assumptions.

But I wonder, since you want to make this discussion a popularity vote, what the wider populace think of this topic, a topic which some on this site consider to be such a taboo subject. Now that woudl be interesting!

 

Until you joined, it was.

 

Still waiting for a link to evidence of this.

 

Anyone who barges into this country without the proper documentation and through the proper chanells, is an illegal, no matter how much you thump the table and try and make it spin otherwise.

Ordinary Australians know when they are being conned by those barging for an ever ending free feed and lodging.

 

Incorrect. It's legal.

They are using the proper channels for asylum seekers.


All legal, all proper, all good.

 

It's not "spin": it's the law.

Don't you obey the law? Tsk Tsk.

 

Yes they do.

No need to worry though: 94% in the last three years have been approved as genuine refugees.

Crisis over.

 

Have you told the Immigration Department this?

People in Australia are granted permanent Protection (class XA) (subclass 866) visas if they are owed protection under Australian migration law, because they have been found to be refugees and satisfied health, character and security requirements.
http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/_pdf/seeking-protection-in-australia.pdf

Funny - they seem to be operating by the law, rather than the bigotted opinions of forum posters. Weird, huh.

 

You can keep up your diatribe of insults, which just clearly demonstrates the paucity of your arguments. Fortunately I am not made of paper mache, and more in touch with the ordinary Aussie who despise these queue jumpers, endlessly sucking off the Aussie welfare teat. And for long who knows, for least one generation, probably at least two.

It's about time we brought back the the system under the Howard government, which was so successful in stopping the large boat loads of welfare shoppers.

 

You seem to be imagining things. The Howard government had no successful policy. It simply wasted enormous amounts of money to traumatise people before allowing them to stay in Australia:

THE Federal Government's "Pacific solution" for asylum seekers, designed to discourage arrivals by processing them offshore, has cost more than $1 billion over five years, according to a new report.

The cost was high, the impact on the asylum seekers was negative and it did not discourage people from coming, says the report, A Price Too High: Australia's Approach to Asylum Seekers.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pacific-solution-cost-1b/2007/08/24/1187462523594.html


Offshore processing in Nauru, Manus Island and Christmas Island has amounted to at least $1 billion since 2001. By comparison, the latest estimates from DIAC suggest that to process 1,700 asylum seekers for 90 days each at Villawood detention centre in Sydney would have cost around
$35 million – around 3.5 per cent of the cost of processing them offshore.

http://www.oxfam.org.au/resources/filestore/originals/OAus-PriceTooHighAsylumSeekers-0807.pdf

 

Paucity of my arguments?!?!?

I showed you a direct quote from the Department of Immigration which demonstrated that your statement:

Anyone who barges into this country without the proper documentation and through the proper chanells, is an illegal,

was completely 100% wrong.


You however - have only bigotted opinion. It is very clear where the "paucity of argument" lies.

 

It was success, just spend seme time and read this article from The Australian on June 07, 20111by Greg Sheridan, Foreign editor

'JOHN Howard's Pacific Solution was a success in deterring illegal immigrants by boat.

The Gillard government claims it was not a success because most boatpeople who were removed under the Pacific Solution came to Australia eventually.

Like most things the Gillard government says about this issue, this is untrue and based on a statistical sleight of hand.

Nauru and Manus Island between them housed 1637 people between late 2001 and mid-2007. Of that number, 1153 were found to be refugees.

Of those, 705 were settled in Australia. Some 448 were resettled elsewhere and 484 sent home. So, translating roughly, 40 per cent of the Pacific Solution people came to Australia, 30 per cent were resettled elsewhere and 30 per cent were sent home.

The government's typically slick and dodgy sleight of hand involves saying that 70 per cent of those found to be refugees were ultimately resettled in Australia



The Gillard government is dishonest in pretending the Pacific Solution did not work overall.

It involved several different elements. First, if you came by boat, you didn't get to Australia, but ended up on Nauru or Manus. Second, the wait there was often very lengthy, sometimes four years, although conditions were always reasonable because they were Australian centres. But the centres operated in tandem with several other key measures.

One was that, even if you were resettled in Australia, you got only a temporary protection visa. That meant you could not sponsor family members under family reunion.

Also, on several occasions, with official Indonesian agreement, the Australian navy turned back boats towards Indonesia, which meant people-smugglers had to deal with angry customers.

There was also robust examination of refugee claims, which meant a lower approval rate.

None of those measures would have worked alone. But taken together those measures - relocation to Nauru or Manus, lengthy waits with only a minority ever getting to Australia, turning back the boats when possible, and temporary visas with no family reunion rights - meant that ultimately no one was prepared to pay people-smugglers tens of thousands of dollars for their devalued product.

The problem with Gillard is that nothing she says has any traction. In the wake of the collapsed East Timor solution, everything she says is treated by all the players, including the people-smugglers, as provisional, negotiable, likely to be reversed.

Gillard keeps trying to bluff people that her government is tough. No one, including illegal immigrants, is buying the bluff."






..
















.

 

Offshore processing in Nauru, Manus Island and Christmas Island has amounted to at least $1 billion since 2001. By comparison, the latest estimates from DIAC suggest that to process 1,700 asylum seekers for 90 days each at Villawood detention centre in Sydney would have cost around
$35 million – around 3.5 per cent of the cost of processing them offshore.


Why did we waste over a billion dollars to traumatise bona fide refugees? People who had a perfectly legal right to be re-settled in Australia?

Yes LEGAL.

You bigotted opinions are 100% wrong. Has that sunk in yet?

 

Stop shouting and use a tiny bit of logic.These are welfare shoppers and nothing else, period. We must do everything in our power to keep them out and allow those who have been waiting patiently to enter OZ first.

No amount of shouting on this site is going to change that simple fact.

 

No. They are refugees in the country legally. What part of this are you having difficulty with?

Do you genuinely not understand the law? Or are you just racist?

 

why would refugees need to be smuggled into the country. smuggling does not imply legal entry

 

because they come from countries where their lives are in danger, where they have no easy access to embassies or to normal channels.

We keep reading the same rubbish from people. If you could come by normal means why wouldn't you, why would you risk your life and that of your family unless there was no other way.

We have plenty of room and plenty of food and money in Australia and no it will not blow out and cost us billions. Gaining new citizens, building up our country are important too. Why should we just sit here, throwing out food and goods at the rate we do when we could feed and clothe and house many thousands more.

we scream about the millions wasted and we don't have enough money, some one here even suggesting that Australians live in abject poverty, garbage, we have one of the highest living standards in the world. We some how can find the money to be the largest gamblers in the world, spending 100's of millions on one bloody horse race, yet we don't seem to find it in our "fair go" hearts to help those less fortunate. Come on Aussie come on, spread a little love, we may get it back.

 

bugalugs

It is now very clear that your point of view is based on nonsense, as your only argument you can make is to stoop so low as to accuse another poster of racism. It just demonsrtates the paucity and lack of logic in your arguments!

 

Shouting doesn't copmeste for ligical discussion

 

Shouting does not compensate for logical discussion

 

It stopped the hordes of illegals coming in this country by boat.That was its intention and this stupid Federal Government overturned that decision, and hence, we have, once more,hordes of illegals barging and pushing their way into OZ. At the expense, of course, of those waiting patiently in some faraway, dismal camp.

How intelligent is that!

 

My friend, you can say what you like, it is a free country, but if you keep on saying stuff which is just incorrect, no one will take a scrap of notice.

First, there is nothing illegal about getting in a boat and sailing to a country to seek refugee status. So the whole basis of your argument is garbage. We process them, then if they do not match the criteria as refugees they are sent back, if they do they stay, nothing is illegal about any of it.

Now illegal immigrants usually always come in by "normal" means, fly in etc. Overstaying visas, or if you watched television, the news that is, you would see it is very easy in some countries to get illegal papers.

Why do we want to turn away genuine people in need, branding them something that they are not, just to satisfy our unfounded fears?

 

Asylum seekers making their way to Australia by boat are not "illegals".

You have been misinformed.

"Boatpeople not illegal

"Asylum-seekers who come by boat are not illegal immigrants.

The Migration Act 1958 allows for entry to Australia without a visa for the purpose of seeking asylum.

Most asylum-seekers arriving here by boat are found to be refugees, having experienced similar threats, torture and trauma to those now living in camps in many countries."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/boatpeople-not-illegal/story-fn558imw-1225857158897