SPYGATE: Trump blasts Criminal Deep State amid reports of FBI informant spying on campaign

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You either have no evidence or you have a very, very funny definition of "infiltration" that doesn't match the English usage of the word. Hiring someone who hires someone who hires a person who questions Russian sources is not proof-positive of "Russian infiltration. And again (and it looks like this will happen in every single post you make), I agree that the Clinton campaign should still be investigated. Meanwhile, we had Russians trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign DIRECTLY, contacting the campaign, and the Trump campaign EAGERLY PURSUED THEIR ATTEMPTS. But, hey, those facts are inconvenient, so just pretend they don't exist.

    It tells me you will do anything to avoid the subject.

    Read the Republican memo.

    They offered to provide dirt on Clinton to help the Trump campaign. The Trump team pursued the offer. That is collusion. Yes, it is also conspiracy. Collusion is an umbrella term that covers things like money laundering and *gasp* conspiracy.

    Steele wrote the dossier. He got some intel from Russians. That should be common knowledge. Your claim that Russians produced the dossier is an unfounded conspiracy meant to distract from inconvenient facts. That, also, should be common knowledge.
     
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    Maybe those "lawyers" can provide the proof of such entrapment that Trumpeters have failed thus far to produce.
     
  3. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is not as confusing as you may think. Do you know who ultimately paid Christopher Steele? Government agencies can likely figure this out as there are very few dots.
    Their attempts at what? To get dirt on Hillary Clinton? To say where her emails wen? And you agree that this is a one sided investigation and still you maintain their was only a plot of some sort by the Trump campaign.
    Since when is digging up dirt on a political opponent illegal? Didn't that occur with Christopher Steele? And hasn't that happened to Donald Trump throughout his campaign, up to and including this Stormy Daniels fiasco? Do you really believe that Hillary Clinton is immune from political dirt while it's always open season on Donald Trump? This is the apex of silliness.
    Okay, where do you think Steele got the information for that dossier?
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh yes, they intend to. In fact you've referred to these situations yourself where promises were made in London bars.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What 'goods' was that?
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You would have to ask him, but people generally don't confess to crimes unless the evidence is there.
     
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    Money.

    Mueller gots more money too prosecute with, than Flynn gots to defend with.
     
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    What are you talking about ?
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    People want to hang Don Jr. for looking for (and failing to get) opposition research from some Russian, but are perfectly fine with a fake dossier assembled by a known British spy using Russian sources.
     
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    Did I hear that right? We are up to six spies in the trump campaign? With a potential seventh, oh my.
     
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    Sure, you can totally just make **** up and get a FISA warrant!

    Former Attorney General and Federal Judge Mike Mukasey: End the Mueller Probe Now; It Was Illegitimate and Partisan From Its Still-Secret Origins

    Yup.

    Recall that the investigation was begun to learn whether the Trump campaign had gotten help unlawfully from Russia. Justice Department regulations permit appointment of a special counsel only if
    (i) there is reason to think that a federal crime has been committed, and
    (ii) investigating it would present a conflict of interest for the Justice Department or there is another overriding public reason to take the investigation outside DOJ.
    Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions had worked on the Trump campaign, he recused himself from the matter, and so the deputy -- Rat-Faced Rosenstein --took the decision to appoint a special counsel. The regulations require that such an appointment recite the facts justifying the conclusion that a federal crime was committed, and specify the crime. However, the initial appointment of Dirty Bob Mueller did neither, referring instead to a national security investigation that a special counsel has no authority to pursue.

    Although Rat-Faced Rosenstein apparently tried to correct his mistake in a new appointment memo, he has thus far refused to publicly disclose a complete copy of it. In other investigations supposedly implicating a president -- Watergate and Whitewater come to mind -- we were told what the crime was and what facts justified the investigation. Not here.
     
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    It's fake news from trump. There was no spy.
     
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    Well, except for the left wing NYT outing him.
     
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    No, they want to get him for lying about his contacts and meetings with them. Two wholly separate charges ;)
     
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    Nah, they want to get anyone connted to Trump, any way they can.
     
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    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    I noticed you didn't defend that they lied about their meetings with the Russians, but you did blame the left....right on queue ;)
     
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    Still waiting for the OBAMA SWAMP to explain why the campaign that ACTIVELY SOUGHT OUT AND PAID $MILLIONS for CONTACT WITH RUSSIAN AGENTS, didn't need "informants" to protect it from "Russian Influence".
     
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    Man, you have to catch up with the ever changing narrative. There was a spy but spying is good.
     
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    LINK?
     
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    Clapper
     
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    I assume your point is that since so many of them donate to Democrats, they simply MUST perform their job in a biased manner, and since the MUST perform their job in a biased manner, they MUST have spied on the Trump campaign.

    First of all there are way too many assumptions in that to present it as evidence of spying. And secondly, to work in intelligence and the DOJ you need to either check your biases at the door, or face an eventual firing. DOJ employees know very well that if they perform in a partisan manner, the USA will fail and descend into totalitarianism. Just look at the deeds and effects of Trump and his staff. They are planting doubt in the minds of Americans and they are building and building divisions. And as a consequence we are growing closer and closer to civil war and world war, which the USA cannot endure. We will fall victim to a Russian invasion or joint invasion when we are weakest. So the DOJ knows this and have a history of performing their job with the utmost impartiality, which the RW applauded for a long, long time. But now that they are on the wrong side of honor, truth, American freedoms, and balance, they are working to undermine the reputation and respect we have for our DOJ to turn us against it. Pretty despicable.
     
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    He didn't assert spying. That is a RW spin.
     
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    What, pray tell, does he assert. Watch what he said on “the view”.
     
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    I did.
     

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