Stalin’s popularity in Russia triples since 1990

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  1. vis

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    Magadan region is the small part of Russia, so do not generalize.
     
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    Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur. It took Hitler 6 years to kill about 6 million jews and others that didnt fit his utopian world view. Stalin managed to starve 4 million Ukrainians in a single year. That 4 million doesnt even account for the millions more executed for the crimes of stealing or transporting food, political prisoners, and any other criminals.

    http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html
     
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    Joseph Djugashuli aka Stalin was a Georgian shoemaker's son who went to Russian Orthodox theology school and later became a writer and a meteorologist. In his readings he studied Marx.

    He sat-out WW1 because of a badly injured arm from a carriage accident as a youth. As a writer he used the pen name Stalin while working for Pravda the new communist newspaper. By now he had become a declared atheist. Apparently his inside view of the Orthodox Church had not been favorable.

    So he had a fascinating career as an upcoming ideological communist in a nation were people were poor and starving while the Czar and his family lived in opulence. Lenin tapped him as one of his closest associates.

    Like any pioneer politician he was gifted and followed in Lenin's footsteps.

    In US history he would be similar to Adams or Jefferson as someone who carried the torch.

    In modern history he is similar to Truman.

    In ruthlessness he was similar to Adolf although not as focused on territorial gains, although Poland did suffer from his territorial greed, and later all of Eastern Europe. But he ranks only 3rd in comparison to Adolf himself and Tojo in Japan as an imperialist.

    In terms of the millions of people he had killed, he may exceed Adolf, although counts of Stalin's dead are not completely quantified. It is hard to know what to believe.

    His greatest accomplishments include stopping Adolf's armies in Russia and modernizing Russia after WW2.

    What's not to admire about him?

    By Machiavellian standards he was a consummate leader.
     
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    Both Stalin and Adolf were political geniuses.

    Both were accomplished amateur military generals as well.

    The main difference is that Stalin consolidated his own power and that of Russia whereas Adolf played the role of the aggressor and got himself and Germany alienated by the rest of the world.

    Each of them capitalized on the poverty and unemployment of their own post WW1 nations. Both were politically active.

    I would say Adolf was more of a political founder whereas Stalin was more of a follower and supporter.

    Both men fought against Jewish influence and political networks in their own nations and both were ruthless. However both had a powerful influence in these purges which have influenced their own nations to this day, today. There is little or no Jewish power in either Germany or Russia today. Instead, Israel and the USA have become the new Jewish strongholds.

    Stalin and Adolf had a lot in common, the main difference being that Stalin survived WW2 whereas Adolf was destroyed by it which was his own creation. Had Adolf been more judicious and less belligerent he might have had a similar long term career as did Stalin.

    They were both in the same league as FDR, who also used post WW1 American poverty and unemployment to bolster himself as well. FDR was born rich however whereas Stalin and Adolf were each born poor and had to bootstrap themselves whereas FDR did not.
     
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    Hitler made 4 mistakes early in the war that cost him all of Europe. 3 involved Russia.

    1. After signing the non-aggression pact, Russia was decidedly on Hitlers side. They posed no threat to him and was even selling Germany oil at a very favorable price.
    2. Bringing Japan into the Axis. The long military history between Japan and Russia not withstanding, Japan was openly aggressive to the US, who Germany went to great lengths to keep out of the war in Europe. Even going so far as to not hit US flagged shipping that they knew was bringing military goods into the UK.
    3. The Ukrainians were anti soviet and worked with the Nazis until the Nazi extermination squads starting showing up in the towns and villages. As that knowledge passed between peoples, the Ukrainian support ended and the German march slowed.
     
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    I was just reading about the Germany-Italy-Japan axis last night in my WW2 history section of Sea Power, the book published at the USNA by the Navy League.

    It was supposed to scare the USA away from involvement in WW2. However Yamamoto's foolish insistence on attacking Pearl Harbor in conjunction with is move to capture the oil wells of the Dutch East Indies is what doomed Germany in that triple alliance.

    German and Italy should have stayed away from Japan, so become involved with it/her they made a major blunder, yes. Hindsight is always 20-20 of course.

    Adolf's biggest mistake was attacking Russia, yes. He could have fought-off either Russia or the USA but not both. Adolf was like a drunken Irishman in a bar fight who tries to whip everybody else at once.
     
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    If this is what you got from the book, it was massively oversimplified. Yamamoto was not in favor of attacking the US at all. That was the Army and Hirahito's idea. Yamamoto was convinced that the only want to keep the US out of the war was a show of force that the US couldnt compete with in conjunction with attacking the US carriers.

    The end was clear when they failed to sink the carriers though.
     
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    The Navy League's book says Yamamoto insisted on the attack on Pearl Harbor and threatened to resign if not given permission from Tojo to do it.

    Do you have a cite that states otherwise?

    I can give you the page number of my cite.

    Did you get yours from the movie?
     
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    He stopped Adolf's armies with American help.
     
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    Sorry, this 4000000 come from nowhere. If one looks at the dynamifcs of the population of the Ukraine in 30s, one can see that 4 million is a absurd number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine
     
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    The plan to hit Pearl Harbor was his based on orders from Tojo and the army. He was against war with the US though as he didnt see a way to win it.

    That was a quick wikipedia post. I can find something more direct if I really look.
     
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    Yes anyone who doesn't agree with the Stalin's utopian view at the time or even now, is disrespectful...:psychoitc:
     
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    Yes it's absurd, because it's way more, no surprise from the sovok consortium.
     
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    Obama and the globalist are a lot like Stalin. Obama blamed atm machines for taking jobs. Stalin blamed tractors, but he had the nuts to stand up for his beliefs and ban them.
     
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    Nonsense. American and GB troops did not show up on the west front until 1944, the time when the end of war was pre-determined. Meanwhile, the help in terms of the lend lease started only at the end of 1941 and was about 10%-15% of the total production of airplanes and tanks, for example. So, you are overestimating the US help.
     
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    Russia was most helped by Hitlers interest in the symbolism of taking Stalingrad. It was an insignificant city that prevented them from taking Moscow.
     
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    Way more? 4000 is a population of Kiev. You mean the whole city was starved to death? Nonsense. Look at the development of the population before talking this nonsense.
     
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    No no BS, and as I said with American help, I posted an article a while back in regards to lend lease, and it was far higher than 10-15%, and what if it if usa didn't technically get into the fight til 44 really, I stated earlier, they really didn't have an axe to grind with the Krauts. It's the muscovite bolsheviks that they were after, and the bigger threat.
     
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    The battle for Moscow was in 1941, and was failed by Germany. Meanwhile, Stalingrad was in 1943, much later. Moreover, Stalingrad was important for Germans for several reasons
    1. It allowed control over Volga-river- the main transport river in the USSR. Via Volga oil was delivered from Kaspian area to the main part of Russia.
    2. Access to Kaspian region oil (in Chechnya and Azerbaidjan)
    3. It was dangerous to leave Stalingrad in the backyard of the German army that was in the Caucases.
     
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    I did not say that what you said is a BS. I said you overestimate the help.
    Aircrafts, sent to the USSR according to lend lease: 4000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease). Aircrafts, produced in the USSR: 136223 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II). Doing easy math and get 2.9%
    Tanks, sent to the USSR: 5218. Produced in the USSR: 106025. That gives 4.9%.
    These are the main military staff. So tell me now, where comes more than 15% of the military help?
     
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    Not failed, had Hitler pressed on and not made a turn towards kyiv, the Wehrmacht wouldve been in Moscow.
     
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    Who said anything about kyiv, I'm taking about the whole country, cities, towns, villages.
     
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    No. There was no need for Hitler to go back to Kiev- it had been already been occupied by Germans before the battle for Moscow.
    Unless, they wanted to go for a city tour- that is what you said?
     
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    So whoever kills the most people is the 'best'? Wow, just wow. Pick up a history book, not written by Stalinist in the Soviet era.
     
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