Study;' Bible more violent than the Qur’an

Except this is all fable and fiction, in the real world, of course!

Come on, think about it.

It's 2000 years ago.

And a supernatural entity called 'god', decides it would be a good idea to have a 'son'. So he somehow impregnantes someone else's woman. Uh huh, and how precisely does the bible say that he did this? Oh - it doesn't, it tends to be short on detail, and big on claims.

Are we talking some sort of cosmic IVF programme here?

I mean, we at least know it does take human male sperm to impregnate a female human, we 100% know this to be true, so, your brain should be telling you that either god was really a human, and that is how he impregnated sperm into Mary, god was invisible but contrived, through cosmic IVF, to transplant human sperm in Mary.

Then send an angel to explain everything to Joseph.

I mean, come on, as stories go, the Santa fable is more plausible than that, surely?

Jack

 

There will never be a Muslim president of the US.

Islam's fake embrace of Christ is demeaning and alienating to Christians. The Muslims should just shut up about Jesus.

 

Why should it matter?

Surely the right to practice religion, or not, should apply as much to the President, as every person?

 

I bet they used to say the same thing about them uppity coons too, eh, Albert.

Not so long ago, right?

There would have been those that would have said there would never be one of 'them' as President either, right?

Same old tired attitudes, different times, that's what I see.

Different targets.

Sad really.

 

Why?

Because you say so?

They have every right to speak about Jesus, he is in their holy book, do you see?

So, I'd back them to have as much right as anyone to speak about Jesus, if they so wish.

I am an atheist, but I too will speak about Jesus, as much or as little as I choose. Why? Because that is my right.

If you want to see what demeaning to Jesus is, take a look at so called Christian Zionists. They preach the very opposite of Christ's core message.

 

There is a Surah in the Quran named after Mary (PBUH) - it's Maryam in Arabic. Maryam (PBUH) is considered the greatest women to ever live in Islam. In fact, Maryam (PBUH) is mentioned more times in the Holy Quran than the New Testament!

Jesus (PBUH) is mentioned more times in the Quran than any other Prophet, including Muhammad (PBUH) - it's Isa in Arabic. 97 total times.

Muslims all around the world say Alaihi As-Salam or Peace Be Upon Him/Her when mentioning any Prophets of Islam, the same Prophets of the Bible and Torah.

Allah SWT says in the Holy Quran: [2:62] Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Neither the Torah nor Bible says anything even close to this.

سلام

 

What does the Torah say about Jesus or Mary?

What does the Talmud say?

 

America never fought a war against African Americans. African Americans are perceived as purely American.

America is currently at war with Islam. Islamophobia is spreading through the body politic like a robust form of cancer. The longer the war drags on, and the continuation of attempted terrorist attacks, the further the spread of hatred. It's reality pal.

 

Reference to Jesus as a prophet denies his divinity. That is just as much an affront to Xtians as a reference to Allah as a prophet and nothing more would be to Muslims.

 

Mohammed was a nice man who never received any revelations. Mohammed just had an over active imagination.

 

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured round all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.


1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)


9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

 

That's all you could come up with, hey?

So no thoughts on the fact Maryam (PBUH) is mentioned more times in the Quran than in the NT?

سلام

 

No, it's not 'reality', that is a bunch of lazy BS, fed to you by cheap media, that's what that is.

You are not really interested in anything that educates, just that which supports your premise, so facts and evidence can be forgotten, as they usually tend to get in the way of your premise.

'American is at war with Islam'.

Listen to yourself, Albert, those are the words of some sort of religous freak, to be honest, but you know what, even if it is true, it would further evidence those that argue that America is routinely prompted into arbitrary attacks on mainly Muslim nations, on behalf of some Israeli Jewish Zionists.

You give them your money, you give them the life of your own soldiers, I even read one so called American declare today that he would be prepared go fight for the IDF.

I presume him to be 'Jewish', otherwise I guess that not possible.

But notice how speedily he is prepared to dispense his American identity, and embrace a foreign one. And it IS a foreign one, because a Jew born in America is surely an American? At least you would have thought so, but time and again we are seeing examples of Israel trying to bribe or bully American Jews into turning their back on America, and indeed, on marrying or having relations with non Jewish Americans.

Israeli's like Netenyahu despise you and I so much Albert, that they would be consider any Jew that had relations with us to be entering into relations with someone lesser than he/they.

Problems between American and the Arab world are relatively recent, Albert. Any idea why that is, did the Muslims go all Jihadist, all of a sudden, about ten years ago then?

If you really believe you are fighting a war against a religion, then you are a living example of a passive non Jewish American, who like a slave, is passive to their role, which, in this case is doing the work of the Masters in 'Israel'.

It's Jews that hate Arabs, Muslims, some semites, and even some Jews, Albert.

And do you really think Israeli Jews give a s*** about Americans, esp non Jewish Americans? Or about your country?

Dream on, Albert.

I realise from my many posts to you, that none of this will make a jot of difference, but one can only hope that one day you open your eyes beyond the crap you evidently get fed as 'news'.

Jack

 

If he was a nice man, then you agree it is likely that the Koran would be reflective of that admitted 'niceness', yes?

Over active imagination?

Ha ha, come on Albert, let's not go through all the claims of the Bible, one at a time.

They are the stuff of LSD night's.

 

Are you going to be using the links from your ignorant lying, evil, vile, atheist preacher at Evilbible.com?

 

Would that be the same overactive imagination that the writers of the Torah/Old Testament had.....and if not.....kindly explain the difference.

 

Ha ha ha ha....

And here you are, about to tell me that no, god did not take part or ever support any of those things, yes?

Go on then....do it, deny that this made up Hebrew god ever took part in genocide, the murder of innocents, human sacrifice, rape, paedophila, etc, etc.

This should be spectacular..

 

*Sigh*

Come on, what could be more clear that a talking snake, and a person made from a rib.

We see that every day, don't we?

 

Hahaha. no. I'm thru with it for tonite. I've already seen where your evil atheist preacher doesn't know his butt from first base and you go right along with it. I'd say do your own research. Iit isn't all that difficult but i hardly think you'd be able to see it. Your zechariah reference is a load of bull.


btw. If he's a made up God, then why are you so worked up in recounting all his part in genocide, murder, yada yada yada. Hmmm? he's either made up and it didn't happen or its real and that's why you are so crabby. Make up your mind.

 

Are you reallly?

How very handy.

Just when you are called out, you are 'through with it'.

Telling.

Off you go then>>>>>

 

Yeah, because while he is made up, and therefore things like the so called flood as well, the fact is that many do believe in this god of slavery, sexual abuse, animal sacrifice, torture, mysogny, etc, and it is their enforcement of those sick beliefs on others that are find reprehensible.

Who wouldn't?

 

I suppose it depends on exactly what you mean by a "Jihadi" but Islam's history is mostly one long war of aggression and raiding starting with it's prophet until the shattering of the Ottoman empire and a general all around stomping by the west.

The modern question is if it has to be that way or not. Recent experience is not encouraging as while you're right that most terrorists have come out of certain subsets of Islam, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork in all nations from almost all sources.

Still, perhaps there is some hope. OJLeb here are least pretends he's got a more peaceful understanding of Islam. And I'm not so interested in trying to break him of that.

I wish he'd spend more time trying to convince the other Muslim posters that they ought to be more peaceful than not doing so and instead only trying to convince the non-Muslims.

On a number of occasions the hostile Jewish priests would attempt to verbally trap Jesus in the bounds of their traditions. However he made a distinction between laws and the traditions of the old testment that even the modern Jews consider to have applied to a specific time and people.

Certainly Jesus's actions showed a different way following the greater comandments, "working" on the sabath by healing, refusing to stone a woman, and so on. This trend continued with later visions of Peter.

This more love centered way of following God and Christ was what was taught to the new Christain church by Jesus's followers.

Christians...have not always done the best at this. But it is how we are called to be, especially as individuals.

 

Is the Bible more violent then the Quran?

Well, 1. the Bible has almost 800,000 words whilst the Quran has almost 80,000 words, so surely their is a chance their would be more violence in the Bible.

2. the Bible was written ranging over a greater period of time, and dating from a lot further back in humanities history which would also mean it would cover more turbulent periods more often, then the Quran could cover and so it would be logical the Bible should contain more violence....

... but is it more violent? The violence can exist in 2 forms, historical renditions of violent events, or directives towards violence.

So 3., considering the New Testament serves to contextualize the Old Testament which then should transform any OT directives into historical renditions, the NT actually removes any directives to violence from the OT.

Since the Quran includes directives to violence AND the Quran came 600 years after the NT - meaning it should serve to be even more refined and spiritual then the NT - then my answer is a bleeding obvious NO. The Bible is definatly not more violent then the Quran.

Anyone who has read all three will clearly see the Quran does not fit. In my opinion it is a intepretative work of the Bible to frame the Bible's message in cultural terms of the nomadic Arab population and designed to be more appealing to poor and marginalized communities wherever they exist by creating a militant seperatist culture of 'us and them'.

 

Accepting that almost all of those featured and concerned with writing it were backward, aggressive , self-serving primitives then yes, I suppose you're right.

 

Believe what you choose .
However the "True " Christians were led by a certain cousin of Jesus , namely John the Baptist .
It was Jesus who was the renegade and split from John with his so called Hellenistic or Western views .
In fact before the advent of his Ministry , Jesus was known throughout Judea and to the limits of the Baptists followers ( the Church as it then was ) , as the Wicked One .
If you are in any doubt , I suggest you supplement your Biblical reading with knowledge of the Dead Sea and Qumran scripts and scrolls which were contemporary with the synoptic gospels and provide the most detailed history we have of that period .
What I term " your Bible " is the selected writings of the Jesus followers who made up a division of those that you call the Early Christians .As ever , it is History as recorded only by the winners --- and oh boy --- there was considerable mis- translation and what we now call redaction .
And because you are just reading history as written by the "Winners" , you are unaware that in the twenties ( AD) , it was the Baptist who was known as the Teacher of Righteousness and not Jesus .He was not just rejected by the Christian spiritual leaders , but was vilified
And John's authority was invested in him by being the son of Zechariah , the heir of Zadok the undisputed spiritual leader .
As Mister Michael Caine said , --- and not a lot of people know that .