Supreme Court to hear case of baker's refusal to make wedding cake for gay couple

Thank you for your honesty in calling it what it is..."Personal Morals".

Now thats where I draw the line with "empathy". Its a personal belief. BUT, where I loose all empathy with the baker is that starting a bakery is a choice, and that choice comes with certain laws and rules defined by one or more government entities. The baker knew those rules when he started the bakery. And although I believe that the baker has the right to have his own set of "morals", I don't believe he has the right to push that moral belief on the community where he serves. But those are my moral beliefs

NOW, with that being said....YES, the couple can just go to another baker and this would be a moot point. I think its ridiculous that they made such a big deal out of it, and that its going all the way to the Supreme court. Its a ridiculous fight to have

 

Sorry forgot what we were discussing.

In the case of the bakers, Colorado has specific public accommodations laws and the bakery would be a place of commerce.

From a Federal level, 42 U.S. Code § 12181 broadens public accommodations to be any business engaging in commerce, and they specifically list "bakery" as one of the businesses. You can see it in Subchapter III here:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pa...fromPageDetails=true&collapse=true&ycord=6309

 

In the case of the 1st Amendment and their right to practice their religion...a cake is a cake, but a wedding cake is something quite different, and everyone knows this.

The court has already indicated that it will honor the religious freedoms of the American people against the attempts of the Gaystapo to force Christians to be a part of their marriages....why do they never demand a wedding cake from MUSLIM BAKERS, I wonder...?
Flaming, cowardly hypocrites is why.....

 

I gave you a response, Where do you think it should halt and religious freedom be curtailed?

 

Please show us in the Constitution where it guarantees the right to make purchases where YOU want?

 

This is bizarre thinking. As the owner of a private business, you can refuse service to anyone, for any reason. As owner, you don't have to serve the public at all, if you don't feel like it, and don't mind the loss of revenue. No govt should be able to force you to sell your product. If people wanted govt deciding when and who they work for, they'd not own their own businesses.

 

Wonder no more.......

 

Change for its own sake is almost always problematic.

 

The claim was that the federal Civil Rights law required ALL public businesses. The planitiffs will find no relief under that statute.

And Colorado law doesn't make it Constitutional. That is what SCOTUS will rule on. Remember the bakery had sold their standard wares to the persons where their homosexuality had nothing to do with the transaction. This was requesting the owner to create something special celebrating something which violates his own personal morals. That may be an unconstitutional interpretation of the Colorado law.

 

as long as it doesn't violate the rights of another and no you don't have the right to force a business to provide a custom service
just like I don't have the right to force a Muslim sandwich shop to make me a ham sandwich

 

Private enterprise is self-correcting. Those who refuse customers will make less money, and probably close. That's where it stops.

 

here is the deal your rights end when it violates the rights of another
now that being said the right of religious freedom and to be able to practice that freedom as one sees fit was around a lot longer then Gay marriage so forcing one to go against ones religious beliefs is a violation of religious freedom not the other way around

 

Who cares? People run their businesses well, or badly. What concern is it of yours or mine to understand their motives and reasonings? Why do you care if they're 'prepared to deal with all sorts of people'? That's the beauty of privately owned businesses, they don't have to please a boss. They can run it as they see fit, for better or worse.

Meantime, despite the higher likelihood that selective selling will harm the bottom line, in some societies - and even in some areas of the west - selective selling is practiced as a matter of course. Such businesses have no problems staying afloat. Of course, because they're run by Progressive Pets (minorities), they're not censured or condemned for refusing service to whitey.

 

It totally isn't. There are businesses all over the world refusing service to anyone they don't like the race/look/sound of. FEW are motivated by Christianity.

 

Exactly. Regardless of what colour and religion the business owner is, and who they refuse service to.

Meantime, people don't open businesses to 'serve the public', they open businesses to make money and work independently of bosses and 'rules'. Serving the public is just the means to the end.

 

The person refused service is free to call the police and report it - if indeed the owner won't sell him the gas he needs to leave town. That's probably criminal.

Incidentally, I've been in small towns where I was refused service (because I was the wrong race), so I left.

 

Over the next 100 years maybe. How many gay wedding cakes has he been asked to make?

 

This is where he made the mistake. He was grandstanding in telling them WHY. He absolutely didn't need to do that.

 

He is not PUSHING his moral belief on anyone, they were pushing theirs on him. He is not demanding they adopt his moral belief. He is not trying to prevent them from getting married. He simply does not want to participate in it by creating something celebrating it. That would violate his personal moral beliefs and I don't see where that is a one sided thing between a seller and a buyer. If your moral belief with it is OK then make them a cake celebrating it.

 

Re-read the story, it's why the baker will win in the supreme court. He has served gays in his bakery before. He just won't decorate a wedding cake for a gay marriage.

 

What gives you the right to push YOUR moral beliefs on anyone but yourself?

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't stupid enough to think that the way sex is defined today, as distinct from gender, retroactively changes how it was legally defined in 1964. As such, you must just be making a bad joke.

 

Of course not but Christianity is based on the Bible...........

Matthew 19:4-5 - 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

This is why the baker serves gays in his shop but won't decorate a "Gay Wedding" Cake.

 

It is a private place of business open to the public and not supported by tax dollars.

 

I suppose a baker might serve customers of various races but refuse to bake a wedding cake for an interracial wedding, but I don't see why a businessman would allow such a prejudice to dictate his business practices. Baking a cake is baking a cake, and once you've sold the cake, that's the end of your involvement with the cake.

Again, there is no religion that has a taboo against baking cakes.