Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's

Even Professor Lockdown has admitted that Sweden was right and all the 'COVIDiots' are wrong.

"Professor Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, revealed he had the 'greatest respect' for the Scandinavian nation, which has managed to suffer fewer deaths per capita than the UK.

He made the comments at a House of Lords Science and Technology Committee today during his first public appearance since flouting stay at home rules to have secret trysts with his married mistress last month.

The epidemiologist - dubbed Professor Lockdown - has come under fire for his modelling which predicted half a million Britons could die from Covid-19 and heavily influenced the UK's decision to rush into a nationwide quarantine."

THE DAILY MAIL, Neil Ferguson whose grim warnings prompted Boris Johnson to order TOTAL LOCKDOWN admits Sweden may have suppressed Covid-19 to the same level but WITHOUT draconian measures,
Professor admitted there is lessons to be learned from Sweden moving forward
Sweden dodged major crisis without locking down and seeing economy implode,
Professor Ferguson's team predicted staggering amount of UK deaths in March
Modelling thought to have single-handedly shocked UK into imposing lockdown,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Ferguson-admits-greatest-respect-Sweden.html

 

~ Hitler did it with bullets, bombs and rockets. China is attempting the same with an engineered virus and "news" media.
At this point it appears to have backfired .

 

If she were really full of crap as you say, the authorities would not censor her. She is another solid whistleblower regarding the corruption in science, science journals, organizations like CDC and WHO and FDA.

It's all there and has been for years. You claim you will read more, but those are things that threaten your world view, and you will not read them. The only thing you will read more of is propaganda. You're not the only one. You are in a large group that way.

If her case failed on its merits, there would be no need to censor her. They censor hell out of her, showing that her truth telling threatens the status quo.

 

As Dresden James wrote a long time ago, when a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.

Thank you for the compliment.

 

~ It is becoming more obvious that medicine and science has now become politicized. Whenever someone quotes "the experts" { global roasting / evils of fracking } I start looking for contrasting views & opinions.

 

So, the more she is repudiated the more strongly you believe her???

You want to talk about world views, and then you propose THAT?

Whistleblowing doesn't work like you propose.

You can't read what whistleblowers say and then just believe it. You have to go out and actually verify it.

When you do that, you find out that your author is just plain wrong - and that her false ideas are actually damaging.

 

Sure. That's what you SHOULD do.

We have to use methods for accepting and excluding claims.

One important criterion is the level to which experts in a field agree. This criterion can not be ignored. None of us have had the education and training to judge all fields of endeavor.

Another is that new ideas often haven't been around long enough to be fully vetted. We see this EVERY DAY with our COVID situation. So, one has to retain a greater degree of skepticism - being aware of new information, but not ready to discard everything learned to date.

Etc.

 

That's a very reasonable take that I agree with, we shouldn't dismiss everything out of hand but we shouldn't trust everything we hear either. It's clear that to some degree, the virus has slowed down. But it's also clear that it's still a threat we should approach with caution.

 

If you exclude NY, NJ, MA and CN (states that have made significnat progres in reducing COVID) this virus is growing pretty much as it ever has for the last few months.

Earlier, the huge upward spikes in these states made the US look worse than it was in most states.. Today, their progress is making the US look better than it actually is for the US as a whole, as reductions in those states is offset by growth across the nation.

 

Which Dr. Fauci warned us about: That there's going to be different spikes, different timings for those spikes, etc. It's why we should be wary about the protest, we won't see the results for some time but every State pretty much had an episode or several episodes of activity.

 

Well, you're hinting that protesting police murders is what we need to be worried about.

But, the problem is far larger than that, as we've had our president working to defeat social distancing, masks, and other protections now for MONTHS.

In fact, he is demanding that those who attend HIS rallys, etc., must promise NOT to care about these issues!!

You can't point to protestors as being to blame (many of whom are wearing masks while addressing a deadly serious issue) while the president is demanding that states abandon the basic protections and policies that CDC calls for.

Let's not forget that Trump has actually demanded that businesses open regardless of whether they take known and cost effecive action to protect workers - even going so far as to write an executive order assuring corporations that worker health may be fully ignored - and then threatening workers with loss of healthcare, etc., if they don't put themselves at risk.

These various objectives CAN be met in a rational way. We are NOT in an "either or" situation.

Trump COULD suggest that social distancing, masks, worker protections, mass gatherings, etc., need to be treated carefully. He COULD issue CDC guidelines on what people can do to reduce risk in those situations. The CDC DOES have such guidelines - this is not hypothetical. He could decide not to block OSHA from acting on the ONLY REASON for its very existence. He could isist that employers respect the health of their employees.

But, he is not doing that.

He is PROMOTING disregard for this pandemic and what individuals may do to reduce the odds of infection. In fact, he keeps proposing how this will all magically pass, so not to worry - advice the CDC and other experts are left to debunk without a way of effectively communicating to the public.

 

There's still uncertainty on whether masks work or not, thanks to the WHO/CDC's OWN statements. And Trump is not having them read off a teleprompter. Their inconsistency is theirs to deal with. And it's not about the protest, as much as it is that it was claimed that mass gatherings are the best way to spread the virus.

Well, the protests are mass gatherings are they not? Forget what cause they're for, the fact is, they spread the virus. And I would advocate for them to be 6 feet apart and to wear a mask. Anyone not wearing a mask can watch from a press box or from their cars on some sort of outside television.

 

I don't see how this is an objection to anything I said.

Trump is advocating for no safety in group events and for more group events as well as more of other kinds of group contact - travel, work, whatever.

You can't call out the Floyd protests. People should be wearing masks there, too.

And, if you agree with Trump that we should be openining up restaurants, barber shops, meat packing plants, etc., etc., without ANY concern for masks or distancing, then I think you've given up all ground.

 

CDC, WHO, Fauci - all experts call for people to wear masks.

Trump has the bully pulpit and his message is to ignore masks.

I don't know what else you are referring to, but that's game over on the issue of what is recommended.

 

Before they told us not to wear masks, now they tell us to wear masks. What changed? Trump didn't make em change.

 

Well the Dr in the 2nd video I put believes the Swedish people do not know what is going on. That they are being given a lot of false propaganda. They he says are actually told that masks are bad for you and people who do wear them suffer from humiliation by other people in the streets. Sweden is on no flattening. Apparently their numbers are rising. It is just a matter of time before they really get results of their choices. People argued before that Sweden was managing this because the people trusted their Government and would do what they say. Apparently they have just been carrying on as normal not going by any of the 'suggestions' the Government put out. It may be after this the Government will not be able to rely on that trust.

As far as the killing of the elderly and sick I do to some degree agree with you. That is why I do not want euthanasia here although on every decent level - painful terminable illness causing loss of dignity etc instigated by the one who is to die, I strongly believe it is right - it is just too easy to be misused or to make people feel they have to do it for the good of others - remember when some Governor - I think Texas said that oldies wanted to die of covid 19 so that the young would be able to have a prosperous future.

 

Well, there were questions about whether such a policy would be effective. For the policy to be effective you have to judge issues such as whether the message can get out in an effective way, whether the population will refuse to cooperate, whether masks can be obtained, whether such masks are good enough, whether the scramble for masks will damage our healthcare response, etc.

But, we've gone WAY beyond that. There has been a consistent pro-mask messge from CDC, WHO, Fauci and other experts for a LONG time now.

AND, there has been a consistent message from Trump that is in the OPPOSITE direction

That's the real problem. The federal level response is being seriously undercut by the president, and certainly not just on mask policy.

 

If you're referring to a Texas official, and not some other state governor, then you badly mangled the message.

In March, Texas Lt. Governor Ken Paxton did indeed say that he personally would sacrifice his own life not to shut down businesses and the jobs of younger people, "So my message is that, let's get back to work, let's get back to living, let's be smart about it, and those of us who are 70 plus, we'll take care of ourselves," Patrick said on Tucker Carlson's show. "But don't sacrifice the country."


Patrick, who turned 70 last week, said he does not want the economy to collapse because of the coronavirus.

"No one reached out to me and said, as a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance for your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren? And if that's the exchange, I'm all in,"

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/n...isk-economy-grandparents/stories/202003230165

Speaking for myself, "I'm in, too." I would sacrifice my own life to keep a solid economy running for the benefit of younger generations. Don't save me if that harms someone who still has their entire life ahead of them. I doubt self-sacrifice for the benefit of others is limited to us Texans.

 

I'll grant them that they've been consistent from the point they recommended masks onward, the issue for them is that it's an abrupt shift, and that shift adds to lost confidence(whether that's fair or not). Add into Trump being in the opposite direction, and yes you can say that it's being undercut.

Some doctors have pointed out that when you wear a mask, you're not getting everything from the oxygen that you could and that sometimes basically we breathe our own crap in and get sick. So to me, it feels like it's something that should be done sparingly, not an every hour occurence.

 

Data presented by Washington Post shows Sweden seeing a 16% increase in deaths during this past week while Britain has seen an uptick of 3%.

How do you propose to argue that Sweden's approach is laudable compared to Britain's approach?

Even the USA is doing better than Sweden. And, we don't have national level leadership on the issue!

 

I've never heard anyone suggest that someone could get sick by breathing in what they just breathed out - unless they are undergoing oxygen depletion, or whatever.

Direction I've seen is that masks should be worn when in proximity to others. That's the situation that resulted in CDC, WHO and others to wear masks.

 

Oh, sure. China attacked China in hopes of it spreading somewhere else!!!

How about we look at evidence?

Isn't that why we and others have so many people studying the sources and methods of this SARS outbreak?

Is there something really wrong with that approach?

 

329,686,309 people are still alive in the USA.

99.964 per cent of the people are still alive and have not died from the Wuhan virus, and that miracle is without there being any help but Remdesivir and the deatholators for treatment of this virus.

Herd immunity is working good.

COVID-19 is not a big deal.

Don't let the government interfere with this good thing and be the catalyst for spikes in other causes of death.

 

I don't see the 16% increase in deaths in Sweden, but didn't look at WaPo. Data should be the same.

Sweden is doing relatively worse than the UK, since the latter has 6x the population. Still both countries are seeing a nice steady decline in deaths over the past 30 days.





https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

Like the USA, firm downtrend in daily new deaths since mid-April.