Tammy Duckworth Scorches Donald Trump As ‘Five-Deferment Draft Dodger’

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  1. superbadbrutha

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    The issue here is not about whether he served or didn't serve. The issue is criticizing those who did and then claiming how you are so pro-military now.
     
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    Cadet Bone Spurs , a five deferment draft dodger hiding behind the military and flag. No surprises here :).
     
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    There isn't an "issue". Many don't serve and are very pro military. There's no prerequisite for being pro military. But as I said, you and I are in agreement. The commander in chief should serve in the military prior to being president.
     
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    Most of those folks aren't draft dodgers, how can you hid then years later come back and claim to be pro military.

    There is for hypocrisy.

    I don't think the president has to serve in the military. Many of the great presidents this country has had never served.

    My problem is you hide when your country calls, attack POWs and disabled vets and then claim you are pro military.
     
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    Bill Clinton hid like a little girl and he was loved by most. Are you claiming bill Clinton hated the military?
     
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    I never saw Bill Clinton attack disabled vets or POWs and he didn't run around claiming to be pro military.
     
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    Bill Clinton was anti-milirary?
     
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    I didn't say he was anti-military, he didn't front about it.
     
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    He never proudly visited troops overseas? In Dallas hangars waiving the POWMIA flag in his right hand?

    Interesting. I must be thinking of another Bill Clinton
     
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    Not going to try and defend Clinton, he is a draft dodger also. He didn't attack those who did serve and then try to claim to be pro military.
     
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    Trump didn't attack the military. That's absurd. He's much more pro-military than Clinton. ESPECIALLY more than Obama.

    Are you claiming when he attacked a person?
     
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    He said POWs, sounds plural to me. Funny how you become pro military after you refused to serve.
     
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    Well recruitment has skyrocketed, units that had no money under Obama are receiving actual funding, and the MOS lockout since 2014 cycles ended.

    Thanks Trump
     
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    I don't agree because that makes it sound like a requirement.

    Adams didn't serve at all. And kept us out of the Napoleonic wars while former revolutionary war officers on both sides (federalists and republicans) were trying to drag the country into a world war.

    And calling Jefferson's and Madison's involvemeamnt in the militia "service" is a stretch.

    What Duckworth is saying is down right scary. It's tin pot military dictatorship stuff.

    'I served so I'm not going to listen to the elected representative of the people'

    That's how you get this ****

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    I respect your disagreement. Having served for quite some time now, it's just my opinion that the leader of the armed forces should have experience in it. That will likely never be a requirement, it would just be nice in my opinion.
     
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    I agree but there is something to be said for no military service as well.

    Adam's refusal to listen to the Hawks on both sides of the aisle (Hamilton/Burr) who were trying to get us to pick sides in the Napoleonic wars may well have saved our country.
     
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    True. But in times of war, I'd prefer my Commander in Chief knows what he or she is doing and not have to rely solely on what military leaders say (often in disagreement). I'd like the President to make those war time decisions with the actual experience.
     
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    Your probably right since they are lowering standards to let folks in.
     
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    Because we have the money to. It wasn't fair that someone who broke a bone 10 years ago couldn't get in under Obama. Now people with previous normal injuries can be waived in, as it was in decades past. Money was too tight under him. Now it's better
     
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    Equating what "Duckworth is saying is down right scary" with "tin pot military dictatorship stuff" is not only ludicrous but eerily close to RUssian agitprop.

    That type of analysis proves why the American people can't and won't accept anymore Alt Right presidents.
     
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    Not to go Godwin but look at Hitler. An army corporal thought he was a military genius.

    Churchill made a point of not assassinating the idiot when he could because he didn't want to deal with Rommel as CIC.
     
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    I think we're leaping too far here. We have steps in place to ensure that doesn't happen. All I'm saying is, if we're in a time of war, it's better to have someone experienced making the decisions than someone who has absolutely no idea what they are doing. Responsible leadership.
     
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    So you went to Godwin. We assassinated Yamamoto: good move. Try that again, please, because it does not make sense.
     
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    We have had our own examples.

    Carter, Johnson, Kennedy even Lincoln. All people who had lower never service and thought that qualified them as generals with no formal training or experience. It's not an uncommon occurrence. Hitler is simply the best example.
     
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    OH spare me........

    ""I said, if I got bin Laden in our sights, I would take that shot.............................." Obama said during a debate with Romney,........
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/bre...inds-voters-that-he-got-Osama-b-30192858.html

    "
    And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

    Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

    Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body."
     

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