Teacher On Leave For Telling Class White Students Easier To Teach Than Poor Blacks...

As a righty, if the teacher DID say and do those things, I support throwing him into the ranks of the unemployed, with a loss of his teaching certificate.

 

Don't worry about the teacher, he'll be fine. First he'll be on leave with full pay until the trial is complete - if there is a full trial. He'll get protection from his union lawyer. Then, even if he is found guilty of something, he'll probably just be sent to sensitivity training and be forced to provide a public apology - then he'll go back to teaching.

 

....and if the teacher just thought and believed those things I'd elevate him/her to Superintendent.

All students are not created equal. All American public education really needs is to sort kids by ability and segregate them thusly. But that will also de facto sort them by race and we can't have that, can we?

So basically, we're screwed.

 

IF she really said those things....which I find hard to believe....she SHOULD be fired.

However, you've got some 6th graders who obviously don't like the teacher. So, what's the teacher's side? Did it really happen as the students say it did? Shouldn't the teacher have a chance to defend herself? What if she didn't say any such thing?

And for those trying to make this thing a "rightie" thing.....chances are pretty good that in liberal Minnesota, the teacher is Democrat/liberal.

 

Here's a racist statement for you to dwell on:

Eighty percent of African American children are born out of wedlock and grow up in a household in which the father is not present. It's not genetic. It's cultural. When I was young the Black Family was strong. Now it is close to dead.

 

Haha. Yeah right.

 

Don, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the teacher said that stuff...

Look at the crap that's been happening in the schools by the teachers.

The other day I caught the tail-end of the story of a 6 yr old being charged w/sexual harrassment or some crazy ass thing just b/c during recess he brushed up against the leg/groin of his friend! The principal wouldn't back down on the charges and the parents got an attorney......

For quite awhile now, it's been one jaw-dropping story after another of these insane teachers & principals........

 

If the teacher did indeed say those things, and make the kids sit in the back of the class, then he should be fired and forbidden to teach again.

 

I don't think the key word there is African but American.

It seems America has a major issue with racial division, much greater than other countries with racially mixed populations. I suggest that American culture remains fundamentally racist, with division on the basis of skin colour appearing to be constantly at the forefront. This division seems to be fostered by all "communities" regardless of skin colour and as long as you continue to feed it, the (often literally) vicious circle will be endless.

 

America is by law a racist nation. We MUST collect data on race at every turn. We must mindlessly assume that different outcomes for different races are legal evidence of discrimination. Good thing we don't include sport. Every sport would be racist.

We have a Congressional caucus exclusively for blacks and another for hispanics. How much more racist could it be?

 

The only hope for African Americans in the underclass to improve their lives is to be given the assets of other citizens for free.

 

If the teacher did say those things, I don't care what race he was talking to/about, get him/her out of the classroom.

 

So what exactly is the purpose of this thread on a political forum at this time? There are over 300 million people in America. This may come as a shock to you some of them are racist and some of them make false accusations of racism. I just read this article and I have no idea what kind of people we are dealing with. Maybe next time you will wait for an investigation before posting?

LOL?! I don't think this is a laughing matter. Someone may have done something with school children that is extremely inappropriate. This has nothing to do with being PC. The type of behavior alleged is despicable. It has nothing to do with political correctness. I don't even know how someone could think PC enters into this.

And if this is a false accusation of racism against an innocent person I don't think the appropriate reaction is "LOL." That is a very serious accusation. And if it is false and they say it in court that is perjury.

 

Where is the IPhone or Galaxy video? 6th grade? St. Paul? A private school? This stinks.

 

let me fix your quote for you

"It is easier for teachers to teach rich folks than poor people. Nobody would argue with that.

But the teacher was not very PC to say it that way, and we don't need non PC teachers teaching our kids."

 

damn that due process you get with contract employment

I'm all for an investigation, and doling out any and all punishments fit for the indiscretion.... but a mere accusation should not make you lose pay. Prove your case

 

agree, most of the time that is true, unless the rich folks travel all the time and the child misses lots of class, or think they are better then everyone else and do not want to learn

(I would not really say rich either, just non-poor students)

I think they should put camera;s in the classroom, this way the principal can review the classroom and make sure teachers doing there job and behaving, plus it allows the principal to show parents disruptive behavior, ect.... and the school to take disciplinary action against misbehaving students

that said, not sure how to address this problem, other then to remove disruptive people from the schools.. poor or non-poor alike

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on the surface... that's sounds great...

however, reality is, you can't show parents "here's what your child is doing in class" because it also shows other kids behaviors.... and you can't do that due to confidentiality laws....

 

I disagree, as long as not used on youtube or something, I think it could be used in legitimate school business such as parent teacher conferences, reviewing teacher performance, ect...

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it absolutely could... but this isn't a "I disagree so I'm going to do it this way" If you plan to teach for long, you don't get to choose which rules you follow.


We had a parent conference the other day, a girl was being too talkative and it was stated she has a group of friends in her class. The mother asked "who are the other girls" and we weren't allowed to tell her. Her daughter could absolutely tell mom, but if we start talking to Sally's mom at how Jenny is a distraction, we are discussing another student's behavior with someone that isn't the parent..... that's illegal.


Same with a video. If billy and jimmy get into a fight, we can't show Jimmy's parents the video because it would be showing the behavior of billy.... and that makes it illegal.

I understand what you're saying and agree that it sure would fix a lot of issues. Nothing more I'd love to do than to show that recording of how your 'perfect angel that would never do such things' really acts.... however, it would also show how the henderson's kid is also a bigger ass in class and gets people distracted.

"Why are you getting on to my child, Susy is acting worse"

well, yes she is, but I'll discuss that with Susy's mom.

plus, that next sunday, susys mom gets mad whenever becky's mom tells the church how "the biggest jerk in class is susy though"

 

Not sure what they said was wrong. Uneducated parents usually do not have the easiest kids to teach.

If he said girls are easier to teach than boys, would we be having this conversation?

 

As someone married to a teacher, I can confirm from the horses mouth, wealthier kids are easier to teach than poor kids. Its not even debatable. And if you want to go with percentages, black people statistically are more likely to be poor, so technically we have another case of reality being racist. So what does it say about those who disagree with reality?

From a decade of experience from talks over dinner, the toughest kids to teach are actually the ones with the dumbest or least interested parents, which crosses all barriers of race and income. After the first parent/teacher conference, my wife was able to predict very accurately which kids would be problems. Its was VERY rare to encounter a smart, well behaved kid, when the parents were rude and apathetic.

It ALL starts in the home.

 

I can confirm it, too. But you don't say it. There are plenty of kids that I have taught over the years that I thought to myself "she'll be knocked up and jumping from min wage job to min wage job and from man to man in her 20s" and sure enough, that's what's happening

I have taught many inner city kids that I thought "he will be in prison" and sure enough, I was right.


I had one student, from one school, shoot and kill another student I taught (from a second school) over a drug deal gone bad. Both kids were a pain to teach. Drugs and "keepin it real" lifestyle caught up with both.

I have taught many black students, some, very easy to teach, some, completely opposite. I have taught at an inner city school, I also taught at a rare, 99% white public school for 9 years. Polar opposites in terms of teachability.

However, I never said it to any of them in class. I promise every teacher thinks things that if they verbalized, would be fired for. The same can be said for any person in any job. It would be completely inappropriate to tell a girl she's dressing like a slut and if her goal was to be knocked up and dropped out by 11th grade... stay the course.... but every teacher that deals with said girl, is thinking it.


If the teacher in this original story, did in fact, do what he's accused of.... it was completely out of line. I haven't come to that conclusion of guilt just yet. I will let the investigation play out and trust what they determine. If they find enough to support the allegations.... do what is appropriate. If not, let him get back to teaching.

However, the thing people don't understand about suspensions, paid and unpaid, in education is PAID SUSPENSION is not PAID VACATION. You are reporting somewhere, being interrogated, dealing with lawyers..... all the while, having the stress of possibly losing your teaching certificate and never teaching again.

But you can't suspend without pay during an investigation because suspension without pay is a punishment. An investigation can lead to a suspension without pay.... but due process in contract law states, before you can punish, they must be found guilty of something that warrants that punishment.

But I also understand, if someone is accused of sexual misconduct, child abuse, etc, obviously, you don't want a person who did that continuing to teach your kid during an investigation, so I have no issues removing them from the classroom until everything is resolved.