Tell an Australian what the argument is against building a border wall.

I think you completely misunderstood what I said. So let ME spell what I said out for YOU.
Illegals arriving by air is ALSO a problem, so there should be a SEPARATE solution to that problem. How did you not get that?

 

Okay, so you used the SINGULAR "Walton" here. It was only later that you used "The Walton's" How could you expect someone to know what you mean by talking about just "a walton?" So now I know that The Walton's is a show about the life of a Depression-era family in Virginia's Blue Ridge Mountains. Any reason you couldn't have just told me that instead of being an insanely arrogant c*nt?

 

And your point is?

 

Are you for real...

this is what you said VVVV..why ask what my point is when I'm telling you illegals by air is a problem. ... you just don't like looking stupid by asking what's wrong with a wall

 

To be fair to you, I probably should have checked with you to see if you were using it as an argument to not build a wall. It just seemed like you were. Were you?

 

If you're suggesting it's not a viable reason you need your head examined.

There are many reasons not to build the wall, there's no guarantees and it's very expensive. It's like buying a product for a specific purpose then after you've paid an exorbitant price finding out it doesn't work properly.

More than 50% of illegals arriving by air is one of those reasons, tunnels and mobile bridges over the wall are other reasons. Nobody is saying the US shouldn't secure their borders, but many are saying they don't want to pay billions for a wall because it does not keep people from crossing and it's also not the main point of entry for illegals.

 

Im also an AUSSIE and will not tolerate these asylum seekers coming to our country.
Fact is - The labour Government under kevin rudd created this great water wall after having discovered though investigations of the asylum seekers , that 98% were economic refugees and NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS AFTER ALL
And its no wonder they tried to get here when previous governments gave them health cards and handouts on arrival
POINT IS -
These Mexicans are excatly the same deal = OPPORTUNISTS
And they should all be rounded up and sent back to where ever they came from
Whilst building the wall of course
PS i wouldnt get Mexico to pay for the wall / It should build using a levy

 

So what is? You said that 50% of it was via air.

 

The recession would have ended years ago and we'd now be in a healthy economy if Obama had truly enforced immigration laws, among other things. You can't argue with 27 million legal AND illegal immigrants in our workforce. Correlation or causation doesn't have to exist, it is the fact the current economy can't support MILLIONS of additional workers that matters.

You still don't get it. Your position is a lose-lose situation for you and dems. You and dems lose if the American people insist on LEGAL immigration laws being enforced, AND YOU AND EVERYONE LOSES when immigration laws aren't enforced when the economy stays unhealthy and wages stagnate, including your own. Last chance to wake up.

Steve

 

There has to be causation for it to matter at all. I see no proof immigrants are having any negative effect on the economy; quite the reverse. Your "argument" is only that lots of immigrants are here and the economy isn't as strong as you like. That's it. You haven't shown where the immigrants are the CAUSE of the economic woes. You might as well blame my dog Polly. I mean, she's here, so she must be causing it.

 

Follow the post trail.

 

That's all it takes. There's X number of jobs in a stagnant economy and there's Y number of workers. When that changes to "Y + # of immigrants" then the picture gets grim for someone.

Get an economics book and read it. You are in a lose-lose situation no matter how you try to spin it.

Steve

 

I have economics textbooks. Which part of how I know you are making one of the most rookie mistakes in economics: assuming it is a zero-sum game. Again, mainstream economists disagree with you on this issue. You are spreading xenophobia, not economics.

 

Reading comprehension now? I NEVER said the economy is a "zero-sum" game. I said, 'there are X number of jobs in a STAGNANT ECONOMY.' I am trying to speak at your apparent level of comprehension.

I have a university degree in economics. I prefer Post Keynesian economic thought, and I'm sure you have no clue what that means.

Steve

 

your trash data is crap

 

if you have a econ degree why are you posting crap? you should understand why people arent in the workforce and it has virtually nothing to do with economic conditions. this is just honesty 101.

 

Obviously you have no clue what I'm talking about.

Steve

 

Falsely assuming stagnation IS assuming a zero-sum game. Our economy isn't stagnant. It is growing. In part due to our immigrant labor force. I'm taking graduate coursework in economics now. And yes, I'm quite aware of Keynsian economics. Since you have a degree in economics, can I share research, or are you going to continue to insist that research doesn't matter and make these basic logical fallacies?

 

I'm sure you know that much of that numbers is due to Baby Boomer retirees and, even then, we are seeing it shrink.

 

Wrong again. Read a book and learn something before you make a fool of yourselves.

Steve

 

cant be more irrational then an appeal to authority. plenty to show you lack any upper education.

 

Just so this doesn't get buried in the thread, I'll repeat my first post.

Immigration laws were originally designed by BOTH PARTIES to protect American workers from an abundance of competitive workers seeking employment.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates there are 27 MILLION legal AND illegal immigrants in our workforce, that's 16.9-percent of the ENTIRE WORKFORCE. Our economy and wages have been stagnant for many years because of it.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/forbrn.nr0.htm

In other words, you would rather trash American workers in favor of low wages for employers.

The DATA speaks for itself if you undertstand economics.

Steve

 

Yes, we've already covered the fallacies and untruths of this post.

 

actually wages have been stagnant because they are a lagging indicator...econ 101

 

I'm also not here to educate you on the use of implication and inference in language.

Relieve your ignorance elsewhere.