Tell us Leftists why do you not close the border immediately? Consider this:

It looks like the Left would have us believe that about 35,000 illegals are crossing the border each month. Even some right-wingers agree with that. So let's say the Left is incorrect, and let's say it's even less- let's say only 20,000 illegals cross each month. Hey, let's even say 15,000 per month.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-border-chaos-20140614-story.html#page=1
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/...rd-about-a-new-u-s-law-that-lets-minors-stay/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-landing-secret-government-holding-pens.html
http://www.fairus.org/issue/immigration-in-arizona-fact-sheet

ISIS is chopping off heads. Isis says they're coming after America. So Leftists, since you don't want to close the border with fence + helicopters + the military + drones + any possible technology, then we assume that you don't consider ISIS' (and other terrorist groups) a serious threat. You don't consider it possible that 10 ISIS members in each American city over 30,000 could set off bombs within a week.

So tell us Leftists, why don't you think that ISIS or any other big, well-funded terrorist group will/can do this?
Here are some choices:

1) You think that even though we don't catch 15,000 illegals per month, almost NONE of them could possibly be ISIS members.
2) You don't believe that ISIS really dislikes the U.S.
3) You don't think that with the billions of dollars they have, they can afford to fly to Mexico or charter a ship, or somehow sneak over to the Western Hemisphere.
4) You don't think they could find or make explosive or get bio- or chemical weapons to bring in?
5) You think that no member of ISIS actually has the courage to risk their life or freedom to come and terrorize you in your home country?
6) You don't think more than 20 people per month are sneaking across the border undetected.
7) You don't think God would let terrorists come here?
You don't want offend anyone, so getting thousands of bombs going off in American cities is not a big deal.
9) You don't think that ISIS is as smart or as motivated as the thousands of Mexican folks who sneak over the border undetected.
10) You just don't really want to think about any of this because you hope that ignoring the problem will make it go away.
11) You smoke too much dope to care.
12) You don't think there's any chance we could stop them from crossing anyway. (however THAT could be true)
13) You think that we know the whereabouts at every moment of every terrorist who might come over here, so they can't fool us.
14) You think that if it really WAS a problem, Obama would fix it.
15) You're just scared crap-less and you can't function.
16) You figure that since you and your family are going to die sooner or later anyway, what does it matter?

Which one is it that makes you not want the border closed immediately, leftist?

 

No. When terrorists manage to pull off things like 9/11, I generally figure it was done with military and government assistance. That's what happens when you put everything up for sale: anybody can buy it.

Closing the borders does nothing. You want to stop terrorism? Focus on the guys in suits that do the real enabling. Stop harassing the Mexicans.

 

You actually think they can't do it?

 

So in other words, #10 for you. Okay, thanks.

 

So you're a truther? Well compared to that sort of craziness, the border must seem insignificant.

 

No. I think you can't stop it. Not with the borders, anyway. The borders are just a distraction that plays on racist fears. The borders have basically nothing to do with terrorism.

Is that how any of the guys that did 9/11 got into the country?

How did they get into the country, again?

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Yes, I am.

Meaningless in the context of terrorism, yes.

 

We didn't close the border after 9/11- when we actually were attacked.

We didn't close the border in the subsequent years when Bin Laden was still alive.

We didn't even try to close the border.

But now that children are invading, Conservatives are terrified.

We have fewer people coming across the border than the year after 9/11- why are you panicking now that its children?

Why don't I want the border closed 'immediately'?

Because I am not some reactionary conservative who believes all the propaganda fed to him by fear mongers.

I DO however think we should protect our borders- and have felt that ever since 9/11- and never understood why we didn't use that opportunity to actually secure our southern border.

Want to secure our Southern Border? Fully fund a Border Patrol the size necessary to do it.

Anything else is just the usual Conservative BS.

 

The OP is a flawed premise.

it is equivocation.

 

Not really, it's easier to get into South America by boat or plane than it is to get into the US, then cross the southern border and you won't have to bother with a lot of things. The lack of recent terrorist attacks probably has to do with them being intimidated by Bush's reactions, I find that more plausible than the idea that terrorist somehow haven't thought of using the southern border as an entry point. It would be a pretty inexplicable blind spot for them.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it seems so obvious. You can't secure a country as large as ours so what do you do? Intimidate them into not attacking. Now American foreign policy suddenly makes sense.

 

Nobody was intimidated by Bush. His actions were exactly what the terrorists wanted, using them as an excuse to do the demolition necessary for oil pipelines and ignoring the fact that most of the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia (and none of them came from Iraq or Afghanistan).

 

Closing the border isn't the answer. It's not even practical or realistic.

Reforming the visa system is a much better option. Also, holding employers accountable for hiring illegals would improve things.

It would also help if we ended the War on Drugs.

Beefing up the border patrol for the purpose of dealing with cartels makes sense, but the average immigrant isn't a threat.

 

??? ...............

 

Reform the system to what, exactly?

 

Stop harassing the Mexicans? Isn't it Mexicans and Hispanics that's flooding into this country? If they would stop, there would be no harassing. That simple.

 

Let the market decide limits on visas rather than having arbitrary government limits.

Basically, if a company wants to pay the associated fees with hiring a foreigner, why shouldn't they be able to? I don't see any reason for having an arbitrary number of visas available.

 

To limit importation of cheap labor.

 

That's already limited by practical considerations and the various fees that companies have to pay in order to get a visa for a new hire.

 

Because we have a Commerce Clause.

 

ISIS is not in Mexico or in Canada. For them to get to the Americas, they would either have to fly or go by sea. If they arrive in another country, they will not be welcomed either, even in Venezuela.

Post fail.

 

It's not the "average immigrant" who says they want to destroy the U.S.

Your brain is for thinking.

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Isn't the answer to what? It's the answer to keeping people from sneaking across the border.

You're so silly.

 

And, as we could have predicted. The liberal's answer to the OP's question is #10-- "Ignore the problem using any number of ignorant reasons and hope that there will never be another terrorist incident, all while taking very few precautions because it's scary to think about it at all."

I couldn't have gotten the liberals to show their hand any better if I had STARTED with the premise that they'd choose #10, and then let them prove it through their denials that #10 is it.

Hey libs, you don't have to be scared, but using wisdom in making decisions about actions is a good idea.

Inaction is not always a good idea.

 

Sure, but as far as terrorism goes, the best ways to deal with it involve better security around the most likely targets.

There really is no way to fully secure a 2,000-mile southern land border, and that's not even figuring in the vast coastline around the Gulf.

At best, you can have border patrols with more firepower and better communication, but people will always be able to sneak in.

 

As opposed to the right wing extremists who are so scared of the invasion of 12 year olds that they have abandoned all pretense of wisdom in their panic to do something- anything now...now...now....

Well now that Obama is President.

 

Close the border and miss out on millions of low education easily manipulated votes? No that would be be strategy.

Regarding racism, guess all those countries that rank as the best places to live are really racist because their immigration laws are far harsher than ours. See Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland Ect .

 

Which Republican would close the border with fence + helicopters + the military + drones + any possible technology,?

How much would that cost taxpayers?

Or would Republicans lower taxes to pay for it all?