Texas shooter struggled with mental health, family dysfunction, was fascinated with guns

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  1. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not speaking hypothetically, they exchanged gunfire and were outgunned.

    I'm not sure where you're getting the information that the officers had 15 round mags on them, I definitely haven't seen that report. I don't necessarily doubt it, but I definitely need to see that report before I believe it. Police officers often only carry 10 round mags, and about two reloads, which is the amount of ammo that the gunman had in a single magazine. I don't know the capacity of the mags the police had, but it definitely wasn't 30 rounds. It doesn't seem that the officers has AR-15 rifles on them either, unless we're to assume that the 18 year old was just that much more skilled than the trained officers who exchanged fire with the gunman outside of the school
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didnt answer the question again. Starting to seem like you cant...
     
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  3. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    Survival instinct/fear doesn't make you more accurate with a gun. That is completely and utterly false
     
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    Since when do "most cops" carry AR-15s?
     
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    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    What's your source on that? It's been reported in the MSM media that he wore makeup regularly, by some of his Instagram photos he seems to have adopted a generally-feminine appearance. The media mostly seems to be avoiding the topic rather than denying that he was trans. I have seen a few fact-checks out there along the lines of "that particular photo that was presented as Salvador is not him", but, at least the ones I've read, don't reach your conclusion that he was not trans. That particular conclusion is left hanging as an open question by the ones I've seen. So again, what's your source?
     
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    False. The vast majority of policemen carry what you mislabel "high capacity magazines".
     
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  7. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    The photos being shared are not of the shooter. They are of another person. There is no evidence the shooter was trans, any more than there is evidence that he was a leprechaun.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    What part of shall not be infringed allows that? Who decides that?
     
  9. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Fine. Get off your high horse.
     
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  10. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'm not going to apologize for doing my homework before parroting lies. Baseline intellectual honesty is not a "high horse." It isn't "high" at all. It's baseline.
     
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  11. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Do you still believe Trump is a Russian agent?
     
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  12. yardmeat

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    Never said he was. Why are you trying to run and hide behind straw men? I get that you are embarrassed, but this is just pathetic.
     
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  13. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Did he collude with Russia?
     
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    So! you're calling all Gun enthusiasts or Gun Nuts as you like to call them, Ticking Time bombs. Hmmm! I'm not quite sure whether or not I'm offended by that comment. It's becoming clearer by the day, why I have a serious distain for Liberals.
     
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    This photo, which is "being shared", is confirmed to be the shooter:

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    Aside from the above photo, the OP of this very thread mentions "Ramos experienced bullying for his lisp and for sometimes wearing makeup. Classmates noted that after Ramos stopped showing up to school his larger, stocky figure had dwindled to a skinny, fragile one." That's at least some evidence. It's true that I don't have a notarized note from Salvador saying "I'm a tranny", but there are several indications that suggest he was, at a minimum, gender squishy or in a bit of a transitional stage in his gender identity. And you're being willfully ignorant if you deny that.
     
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    what changed in the early 80's, the push that good fat was bad and carbs and seed oils were good

    we pushed high carb cereals vs bacon and eggs
    we pushed margarine vs butter
    the list goes on and on

    this changed the developing brain, increasing mental issues and obesity imo

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  17. Arkanis

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    Not my faut if all mass shooters are gun nuts.
     
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    So you don't believe ones state of mind is a factor? These crazy people murder innocent, helpless victims. I am not comfortable with laws that make more people helpless. Each time innocent people are murdered, your side attacks the rights of good people, and these good people have to fight your side to protect their rights. This fits the definition of insanity. Protecting innocent people is one issue we should all agree on.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you avoiding the question?
     
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  20. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    His state of mind is infinitely less important than his ability to kill children.

    Yet you defend laws that allow madmen to arm themselves as they wish and carry out their murder fantasies.
     
  21. jcarlilesiu

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    That's a good question Mello.

    I'm conflicted. People have freedoms to make choices to break laws in all kinds of fashions, and that is why we have a justice system. With that said, I don't know what would preclude a mentally ill person from having that same right.

    I'm a strong defender of the 2nd amendment, because I don't trust government.

    So what do we do to find a middle ground?
     
  22. yardmeat

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    Members of his campaign attempted to and have admitted as such, but I have no clue if he they were successful in their hopes or if Trump himself was involved, as I've said hundreds of times at this point. Now, if you are done running away and hiding . . . ? Something tells me you aren't done running away and hiding.
     
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    Disagree. The state of mind is absolutely the most critical element. Most kids spend most of their days not far from a number of adults who, if they so chose, could kill them. Adults are generally larger and stronger than children and have the (physical) "ability to kill children", if they so desired. The critical element that (usually) keeps kids safe and society humming along nicely is that the vast majority of adults have no desire whatsoever to kill children, despite having within their proximity the means and physical ability to do so. That's true of teachers, coaches, parents, babysitters, ice cream salesmen, random passerbyers at the park, etc. Children are more or less at the mercy of the "state of mind" of all those adults on any given day. Even if you could take away all the guns, adults have myriad other options available to them that would enable them to kill children if they desired: knives, baseball bats, golf clubs, vehicles, propane tanks, bathtubs, just their bare hands and feet, etc.

    TL;DR: You'll never be able to deprive the vast majority of adults of their "ability to kill children". That's why their state of mind is so critical.
     
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    Like I said, get off your high horse...loo
     
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  25. yardmeat

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    I'm sorry you feel that baseline intellectual honesty is a "high horse." It is, in reality, a low bar. Anyone who has difficulty passing it needs to do some serious soul searching.

    Do you always feel that checking your facts before spreading lies is fancy pants ****?
     

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