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Are you telling me that you can't think of a more diplomatic solution as to how Russia could have handled their concerns over Ukraine that didn't involve invasion?

 

They couldn't simply ignored Ukraine.

 

Well we need to pretend that it wasn't Russia that helped instigate instability in that area...but I should think that if you were concerned about the instability of a region bordering your country, you would create a humanitarian path protected by your military to evacuate all Russian favoring citizens out of Ukraine and offer them a speedy path towards citizenship. Increasing your workforce and what would/should be a nobrainer source of immigration of people very simular in most respects to your native peoples.

You would then bring your grievances to the UN, gathering support and admonishing the current leadership which would be Zelenski. Placing the responsability of the violence directly on his plate. And that would be the end of Russia's involvement within Ukraine. Go in, get what citizens want to leave out safely and leave. The rest is up to Ukraine and Zelenski to sort out under the microscope of the UN.

That's what Russia should have done.

But they didn't. That diplomatic and responsible action doesn't end with Russia controlling more of Ukraine and it's resources, does it? And it leaves Zelenski in charge of Ukraine and that will not do, because he's a bad man who wants to ban the teaching of Russian language or the practice of Russian culture in Ukraine. Nevermind the fact that the reality is that Russia caused the instability in the East with the Wagner militia.

So here we are.

 

He's adopted the 1619 narrative.

 

No doubt you believe Western media's 'reasons for doing things' are always wholesome and good.

 

Nato rejected diplomacy for 2 decades .. What a complete lack of understanding mate

 

Not at all.

Why would that make any difference?

 

How so?

 

Much longer than that, I'd say.

It's all about propaganda, censorship, and "Hurrah for our side".

 

Ahahaha.... You are missing a test tube with washing powder for more persuasiveness. Like Collin Powell.

 

Because we should be able to trust our press.

Perhaps this is the moment we're jolted out of our precious notions about ourselves .. notions borne out of not just material privilege, but assumed moral privilege.

 

Spot on.

 

Thought you were a history teacher ... 20th century your specialty .. according to you.

Did you skip the days when they talked about the cold war ? Nato been poking the bear (rejecting diplomacy) for many decades..

and Mr. History can not come up with one example ? .. Thats pathtic mate .. come on now .. put your thinking cap on .. Surely you must have heard something ..

 

I taught the history of the Cold War as a subset of my 20th century history. As for the rest you obviously have no idea of the difference in how western nations and Russians see "diplomacy".

 

So .. that is your final answer ? .. despite teaching the History of the Cold War .. you can not come up with one example of NATO poking the Bear . avoiding "Diplomacy" ..

That's pathetic mate . any historian with the bare mimimum of a clue can come up with many examples .. militarizing the nations around Russia for instance. You were not qualified to be teaching if you were not able to come up with one ... US backing out of the ABM Treaty and parking ABM's on Russia's borders .. something we previously discussed .. so double the lack of clue of subject matter ..

Those children were cheated mate .. their educator .. not educate in the subject was teaching. Where did you come by your education btw .. something you have yet to metion ..

 

Perhaps .. but none more effective

 

I hate answering your typical idiocy.

1) Of course when you have a military alliance you are going to "militarize" the nations bordering those nations enemy (Russians in this case). There is nothing special about that.

2) As for the ABM Treaty, the U.S. had a written and thus absolute right to withdraw from the treaty. The U.S. complied with all its written requirements in withdrawing from it.

Beyond the simple fact that ABMs are completely DEFENSIVE in nature.

3) I did not get my education by the usual means.

Hope you're happy.

 

Who is the idiot here .. other then the one calling others idiots ? .. and yes .. is typical

No suprise your education was not typical Friend

Yup .. both of which were poking the Bear .. neither of which was "Diplomatic" ..

Pathetic you could not come up with the above examples of poking the Bear/lack of diplomacy - claiming to be a History teacher who taught the Cold war. Unfortunate for your students that there teacher was a "untypically educated " fellow with little clue about the cold war .. a complete fail on the part of the school.

 

Just ignore @Giftedone everybody. He is intent on being a "disrespectful ass" to anyone that disagrees with him.

 

"Pathetic" doesn't describe half of it.

 

Not much is required of primary-school teachers beyond the valley. A loose-fitted necktie, rolled-up trouser cuffs, and a flag on the wall are all that are needed to impress Bubba and the home folk. "Today we's gonna' talk about what a great country this is!"

 

We had an old man die here last year, Frank.
Frank was a merchant seaman in WW2. Arguably more dangerous than being in the navy itself because he did the Murmansk run, creating a lifeline to Stalin.
Stalin himself said that without this lifeline Russia would have been defeated - but didn't say it too loudly as it would destroy his paranoid narrative about the West.
Frank spoke of his real fear - it wasn't the Nazi u-boats but the Russians. Move more than a few meters from the unloading area at the dock and he said he would have been grabbed as a spy, a provocacteur, a saboteur or Capitalist scumbag. And not sailed home. The sense of ingratitude was enormous amongst the people who braved the storms, ice and Germans to help Russia.
Now, when did the Cold War start? I would say at least 1917, maybe earlier, given how the Czar behaved towards the West. If you are going to treat people like the Russians did then you need a scapegoat - hence the "oppression" and the "injustice" and 'militarism' and the 'imperialism' in Communist claims about the West.
Just look at all the statements of Putin and see how truth is distorted by Russians.

 

You were the one running around crying that others were idiots because they disagree with you after failing to show a basic understanding of the Cold war despite claiming to have taught History.

Why are you projecting your failings onto others mate -- when shown to be in error as so often is the case .. calling others names and desperately trying to tar those who correct you with your failings. tsk tsk tsk

Agree on that one .. What kind of of Cold war History doesn't know about Nato expansion into Eastern Europe ??

 

What does this have to do with Nato Expansion into Eastern Europe during the cold war .. and the complete fail of those claiming to know about the cold war but did not know this ?

 

Sad commentary on our education system ... no wonder we produce so many ignorant idiots.

how did the school manage to let folks with no formal education in the subject teach History - and how did you not know about Nato expansion into Eastern Europe during the cold war ? Must have been some small town situation I would guess..