That tremendous silence you hear...

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by Wolfpack, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Banned

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    ...is the sound of absolutely no hurricanes so far this year.

    Good call, global warming alarmists..!! Another prediction down the drain..!!
     
  2. smallblue

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    You sure you want to call it for the year already? Sandy was in late October. . . .
     
  3. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    No one is claiming that there will not yet be Hurricanes this season. Just that the incidence of them well below predictions, and is near record low territory. Same for tornadoes.
     
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    Yep, very quiet this year, but the official season isn't over until the end of Sept, so hopefully it'll stay quiet.
    Having lived in FL for the past 24 years I've seen the good the bad and the ugly (Andrew). But this year is the first year in long time we've had a somewhat normal rainy season. It's been great. Hopefully no surprises will pop-up because the ground is pretty saturated and a hurricane now would lead to some really bad floods.
    As far as the MMGW'ers, they'll likely attribute the Chevy Volt..... :roflol:
     
  5. mdrobster

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    And there was one the year before that.
     
  6. Wizard From Oz

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    Yes I recall the last thread on here talking about the quiet tornado season, two weeks later we got the annual number of EF4 and EF5 Tornadoes in a 10 day period.

    But I understand how denial works. You have to remove the last 3 ferocious summers from our mind to make it work for you. Whole continents have been recording record heat this past summer, but that does not matter. But unless Upchuck, USA is affected you don't really care......we get that
     
  7. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    June 1st thru Nov 30th

    Admittedly, November Hurricanes are rare. Wilma hit Florida the last week of October, 2005.

     
  8. Radio Refugee

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    You clearly don't understand this game. Many hurricanes is proof of GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE (add dramatic sting here). Few or no hurricanes is proof of GLOBAL CLIMATE WEIRDING.

    Got it? And YOU'RE responsible You did it, whatever 'it' is.
     
  9. MeshugeMikey

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    Its the YO YOS.....athe proliferation of YO YOS has stopped global warming....

    well accroding to the likes os the syrian mulsim geniuses who in 1933 BANNED the yo yo is well could be


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    "progressive" science..is MUSLIM "science"
     
  10. livefree

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    Too bad all you've got are denier cult myths and misinformation on this topic. What climate science predicts is not what your cultic myths tell you is predicted. Here's what the actual science has to say.

    Global warming and the frequency of intense Atlantic hurricanes: model results
    by: Dr. Jeff Masters
    April 05, 2010
    Could global warming increase wind shear over the Atlantic, potentially leading to a decrease in the frequency of Atlantic hurricanes? There is a growing consensus among hurricane scientists that this is indeed quite possible. Two recent studies, by Zhao et al. (2009), "Simulations of Global Hurricane Climatology, Interannual Variability, and Response to Global Warming Using a 50-km Resolution GCM", and by Knutson et al. (2008 ), "Simulated reduction in Atlantic hurricane frequency under twenty-first-century warming conditions", found that global warming might increase wind shear over the Atlantic by the end of the century, resulting in a decrease in the number of Atlantic hurricanes. For example, the second study took 18 relatively coarse (>60 km grid size) models used to formulate the 2007 IPCC climate report, and "downscaled" them using a higher-resolution (18 km grid size) model called ZETAC that was able to successfully simulate the frequencies of hurricanes over the past 50 years. When the 18 km ZETAC model was driven using the climate conditions we expect in 2100, as output by the 18 IPCC models, the authors found that a reduction of Atlantic tropical storms by 27% and hurricanes by 18% by the end of the century resulted. An important reason that their model predicted a decrease in the frequency of Atlantic hurricanes was due to a predicted increase in wind shear. As I explain in my wind shear tutorial, a large change of wind speed with height over a hurricane creates a shearing force that tends to tear the storm apart. The amount of wind shear is critical in determining whether a hurricane can form or survive.

    The net effect of a decrease in total number of hurricanes but an increase in the strongest hurricanes should cause an increase in U.S. hurricane damages of about 30% by the end of the century, the authors compute, assuming that hurricane damages behave as they did during the past century. Over the past century, Category 4 and 5 hurricanes made up only 6% of all U.S. landfalls, but accounted for 48% of all U.S. damage (if normalized to account for increases in U.S. population and wealth, Pielke et al., 2008.)
     
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    What science ? Here you have another activist subjectively inputting his climate models to get the scary result he wants . Big Deal
     
  12. livefree

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    Too bad you seem incapable of comprehending what Dr. Masters is actually saying.
     
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    And you cant seem to comprehend fact from fiction :roll:
     
  14. livefree

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    Since virtually the entire world scientific community agrees with what I'm saying and only a few fossil fuel industry stooges agree with the drivel you spew, I think that problem is yours, kiddo.
     
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    Yeah right its all the big bad fossil fuel companies fault that the sums dont add up .When were 'the entire world scientific community' ever asked what they think on this issue ?

    Is there any tired cliche you wont parrot in the furtherence of this fast fading agenda ? :roll:
     
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    Here's what Dr. Masters is actually saying that flogger can't seem to understand because his denier cult myths say otherwise.

    "Could global warming increase wind shear over the Atlantic, potentially leading to a decrease in the frequency of Atlantic hurricanes? There is a growing consensus among hurricane scientists that this is indeed quite possible. Two recent studies, by Zhao et al. (2009), "Simulations of Global Hurricane Climatology, Interannual Variability, and Response to Global Warming Using a 50-km Resolution GCM", and by Knutson et al. (2008 ), "Simulated reduction in Atlantic hurricane frequency under twenty-first-century warming conditions", found that global warming might increase wind shear over the Atlantic by the end of the century, resulting in a decrease in the number of Atlantic hurricanes."
     
  17. flogger

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    Could ... potentially.... might... simulations ... or in other words complete guesswork. Masters is an activist so his objectivity is questionable from the get go.

    And no doubt there will be others who would argue differently the plain fact is we dont know. Opinions and speculation arent worth a whole lot on this frankly especially given the political and financial dynamics that are ultimately pulling the strings.
     
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    In case you forgot, there is more to the weather then the United States. Other countries have weather as well.
     
  19. Roy L

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    That is false.
    Also false.
     
  20. cjm2003ca

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    and many others wrote that just the opposite would happen..they are just covering their bases..so which one is true? or none of them?
     
  21. livefree

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    The info from Dr. Masters reflects the current state of the science. Scientific knowledge grows and evolves with time. If someone twenty years ago thought hurricanes might get more frequent, so what? Now, current scientific studies indicate that hurricanes might get more powerful but they are unlikely to become more frequent, due to an increase in upper level wind shear caused by global warming. Pointing out that there have been fewer hurricanes in recent years is not an indictment of climate science, as the denier cultists want to believe.
     
  22. livefree

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    ...the language of science. Which you apparently are unable to comprehend.
     
  23. flogger

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    Nope thats the language of politics. Theres a difference
     
  24. gslack

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    LOL, you found an obscure paper stating it could diminish east coast hurricanes...

    DO YOU DENY THAT THE CLAIMS FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN TO THE CONTRARY?

    Do you deny your side of this debate has madethe claims that hurricanes and storms would be more frequent and more severe due to climate change?

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    LOL, your article is from 2010 dude.. The papers discussed in that article you linked to were from 2008 and 2009... Stop talking nonsense..
     
  25. Windigo

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    Oh what a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). Dr. Christopher Landsea resigned from the IPCC in 2005 because the IPCC's ignored wind sheer when it made its comment on AGW increasing hurricanes.

    I argued this with you years ago on politicalcrossfire. Now 8 years later you have suddenly discovered wind sheer as a way to explain away the weak hurricanes. Absolutely despicable livefree, absolutely despicable.
     

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