The absolute hypocrisy of Senate Republicans

Their money.

They do pay the bulk of taxes.

What part of

is not true.

 

The pot and the kettle are having the same discussion. In this case, both are right, but neither are pointing with clean hands.

As far as genuine concern for the poor, results show otherwise.

 

Complete and utter nonsense fantasy.

 

Even hundreds of $billion that cannot legally be in a reconciliation bill. But what do the Democrats care. Laws and the constitution have become simple buzzing fly annoyances.

Conducting a filibuster, by definition, cannot be abusing the filibuster.

 

So far it appears to be the party of no, redux. MW increase....no, campaign finance reform....no, a relief bill that includes more than just $ for vaccine production and distribution.....no, do away with partisan gerrymandering....no, immigration reform....no, holding Trump accountable for his pre-insurrection actions....no, Justice in Policing Act....no.

 

Ridiculous.

 

I think one of the most reprehensible things that Republicans did, was to block stimulus efforts at the beginning of Obama’s presidency. Much of the stimulus efforts had been negotiated before Obama became president, although Bush had brought president-elect Obama into the loop. Most of the stimulus came in the form of infrastructure projects, an FDR favorite. In those states with Republican governors or Republican controlled legislatures, it was decided that if the stimulus efforts worked, Obama would come out looking like a hero. But they had pledged to do everything in their power to prevent Obama from having a second term as president, so they collectively decided to block all such stimulus money.

Yet there were other states, those with Democratic governors and legislatures who welcomed the money. Here in Oregon, they redid all the rail lines. A major freight route travels up the Columbia gorge, taking goods to and from the West Coast ports eastwards. Now the trains travel through Oregon faster and quieter than before. The I-84 bridge over the Sandy River was replaced with a bigger one. In Portland, one bridge over the Willamette River was replaced, the other bridges given needed maintenance and upgrades, a new one built to accommodate the expanded mass transit lines. It was enough to keep people employed, and had the effect of increasing demand at local stores and restaurants, keeping the economy alive and moving.

The results can be seen in the data. Throughout Obama’s presidency Oregon, Washington, and Colorado became the top performing states, on an economic basis, while the red states fell behind. Same with the ACA. Oregon had a plan in the wings, just waiting for a way to fund it. The hospitals have used the ACA money to upgrade their systems to among the best in the country. When the pandemic hit, Oregon was more than prepared, which has a lot to do with why the infection rate in Oregon has been so very low.

If one is living in the Bible Belt, it isn’t Mexican migrant farm workers in California who are causing one’s economic stagnation, it is one’s elected leaders.

 

See, there again. They are bad but so are you. From my point of view it is more like liberals try but conservatives block. The conservatives then say, look it wasn’t perfect, so it must be wrong. When it was their destructive obstruction that caused the shortfalls.

It is a bit like if I saw a thirsty man lying in the street. I then went to the well and brought up a bucket of water. On my way to take the bucket to the thirsty man, a conservative ran out, crashing into me, causing the water to spill out onto the ground. Then the conservative would get up and say, look, you didn’t help that thirsty man any more than I did.

But somehow they are the same?

 

One can oppose adding poison to the water while supporting giving it to the thirsty. The righteous mind sees fault in others while justifying their own. Your post is an example of how politicians manipulate the gullible by pushing waste and accusing those opposing waste of wanting to kill grandma. They purposely add pork to draw opposition so that it passes along party lines and they get to appear sanctimonious.

Its about power. Nothing more.

 

I’ve seen politics up close, I’m not so sure of you assessment. Sure, there are people who just want power for power’s sake, but most in government are in it to make their communities better. Republicans used to care about such things.

 

You are describing the packaging, but not the product. Power in the hands of politicians what "care" causes more damage. Just look at CA. Your party enjoys super majority control combined with the highest taxes. In spite of having resources, CA is the poverty capitol of the US.

 

Actually the 9% is dead accurate the pretense other wise by leftists is largely nonsense of the self serving sort.

 

After a tax is paid, is it no longer 'their money'. State has a legitimate claim, per SCOTUS. The debate isn't 'their money' the debate is' how much' and that is up to the electorate. And that is democracy.

I"m talking about the super rich, who pay little in taxes, if any.

In truth, they don't. Dynasty owners assets accrue much faster than inflation and taxes and way way way faster than wages at the bottom. They shouldn't pay the bulk of taxes, they should pay almost ALL of the taxes, because they benefit disproportionately for no greater effort than being owners of a large estate. They have an unfair advantage. Small business entrepreneurs, no, I'm not talking about that.

Inflation taxes the poor, so in the ultimate, de facto sense, the poor pay the greater burden, indirectly via inflation, via devalued assets that don't accrue, devalued savings, etc.

What does it matter?

 

It's also the affluence capital, or among the affluence capitals.

You're just a glass - is - half - empty kinda guy.

 

This is of course mostly anti historical nonsense. The first Obama stimulus was 5% shovel ready jobs, the remainder mainly pay offs to various Democrat constituencies mostly the teachers unions.

 

Since when is having wealthy parents and unfair advantage?

Don't you think deception of the general public matters?

 

I am a glass full kinda of guy and see politicians as standing around my glass holding straws.

 

The right filibuster EVERY bill dems put on the floor.

Its all about power, nothing more.

 

Republicans only pay lip service to things like 'law and order' and the 'constitution'.

Like hell. The filibuster was NEVER meant to be used on ALL bills offered.

We will put anything in the BR we can get away with. We are going to do that because outside of the BR, repubs will filibuster.

It's your side's own damn fault. Quit bitching. You make the bed, you sleep in it.

 

I know some poor people that will disagree with you.

You're criterion is 'ending poverty' which is impossible.

Our criterion is 'to do our best, and provide some relief to the sting of poverty'.

By that criterion, the recipients of government assistance, my 92 year old mother, and invalid brother, though not out of poverty, are humbly thankful for what they do receive. And, they would get more but repubs wont' let them.

And republicans want to take even that away.

Republicans can take a hike, and that's my most generous statement.

 

We agree on something! Its all about power. nothing more. So how do we get people to unite and work together to reduce this power?

 

Actually, that's you misinterpreting what I wrote(in the same breath as misinterpreting it as vague). I didn't say that others weren't giving me the same criticism, I was saying that everyone actually was(if you read their replies.) and that's because it's easier to attack something as vague, rather than follow the actual definition of vagueness.

 

Most of Todays Senate republicans aren't true Conservatives. They have sold their GOP souls out of fear to trump. And when Trump kicks the bucket, they will beg to return (assuming they will not have kicked the bucket themselves) and I doubt that the remaining True conservatives will take thm back. And Until then the GOP sadly will not see the Presidency

Trump has lost the House, the Senate and the Presidency. But losing Georgia (and it wasnt even close) speaks the loudest.

 

Results show otherwise. I never said that ending poverty was possible, but you cannot make a case that government is making things better. I grew up poor and remember what government cheese tastes like. (Not bad!)

Your mother and disabled brother are examples government assistance for those who cannot provide for themselves. When it comes to showing up and helping the less fortunate, Republicans are more generous with their time and money than Democrats. The take a hike down to the shelters and food banks.

Government creates dependency and reduces opportunity.

Quick recap:

Big government and high taxes equals more poverty, more illness, and less opportunity.

 

The gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider and wider and wider.
Republicans don't see that as a problem.
Democrats do.
Millions of more people voted for a democrat than a republican.
That's democracy.

What deception?