Actually I just took him off ignore so I increase entertainment.....the other two are not entertaining.
No can do, 'cos I've never been there - have you? Or are you just believing what the space boffins say - who haven't been there either??
Good question, and the answer is Mankind will never know, so why the hell do they keep obsessing about it? It's as ridiculous as obsessing about Mars, knowing that mankind will never ever go there, so let's talk about a planet we could go to? That makes more sense to me.
What galaxy is that in? But why put me on ignore? Think of all that wit and wisdom you're missing out on.
Yes, I am believing the "Boffins" who study and understand celestial bodies over you. I suppose I accept the E=MC2 idea over the Cereberus hot glowing chunk of rock hypothesis,.
Logically accepted on a faith basis? Am I misinterpreting that or is it the obvious contradiction it appears to be?
Correct. And it's not a contradiction. [1] For something to be "logical", it must follow the axioms of logic. [2] Faith is a synonym for circular reasoning. [3] Circular reasoning follows the axioms of logic. [C] Therefore, faith is logical.
There are universal truths. Everyone will die. Everyone has been born. The number Pi is a constant and will never change. The speed of light is a constant. Much of chemistry and physics are based on universal facts. Etc,etc,etc.
Correct, as an argument against that would be self refuting, since to argue "there are no universal truths" would, itself, be a universal truth. You know the future? Quite impressive... Even Adam and Eve? Yup, that is part of mathematics, which is defined by its foundational axioms. It is a closed functional system. Or so we believe. We don't know for sure whether or not it has remained the same throughout all of history. The parts which involve use of mathematics, anyway.
It depends on what you mean by faith . Faith means to put your trust in something but it doesn’t mean to blindly put your trust in something . Blind faith is called fideism and while there are some Christians who are fideists that is not what the Bible teaches about faith
Jester you mean everyone physically dies . That death doesn’t translate to physical death equals non existence as the evidence from NDE science is leaning in the opposite direction .
Cosmologists of late suggest the spead of light does change within black holes. We have no proof but it’s worth not being dogmatic.
So when did God create Hell? Before or after He created Adam and Eve? ETA: Or, more specifically, before or after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge?
You mean everyone will Physically die and everyone was physically born . That’s as far as you can go on those questions . NDE science is starting to show a different picture that is leaning more and more each year of consciousness in some way we don’t fully yet understand seems to survive physical death and as dr Parnia himself said to call It what you want the soul , the psyche the self the thing that makes you who are science is starting to lean towards this part of us surviving physical Death . I myself like dr longs 9 lines of evidence . Pam reynold has her eyes taped shut , ears plugged and a device inserted into her ear and was the most medically monitored of all NDErs saw her operation and heard it during a time she shouldn’t have been able to do that . One of the most amazing ndes as it consisted of the other worldly visit as well as veridical perception . And I’ll Leave you with a quote from dr Sam Parnia who is currently running the aware 2 study .if he gets any hits from this study it’s gonna change science as we know it . Parnia was a guest speaker 12 years ago on dr Christ French’s sceptic magazine atheist science conference and was an NDE sceptic at that time . He has recently done an about face as he is starting to sound like an agnostic dualist . https://goop.com/wellness/health/wh...-resuscitation-m-d-explains-why-its-evolving/ What the evidence suggests is that the soul, the self, the psyche, whatever you want to call it, does not become annihilated, even though the brain has shut down. This suggests that part of what makes us who we are—a part that is very real—is not produced by the brain. Instead, the brain is acting like a mediator. Like anything that has been undiscovered, because we can’t touch and feel it, we choose to ignore it. The reality, though, is that human thought exists, we communicate through thoughts—so it is a real phenomena. The source of consciousness is undiscovered in the same way that electromagnetic waves have been around for millions of years, but it’s only been recently that we created a device to record them and show them to other people. So in short, we haven’t got the tools yet, or a machine that’s accurate enough to pick up your thoughts and show them to me. In the next couple of decades, I believe it will be discovered that we continue to exist after death, and that consciousness is in fact an independent entity. It’s nice to finally have the top NDE researcher in the world and former NDE sceptic on our side Aware 2 will probably be done around 2022 and the results will Be announced at a hospital in Toronto . I wonder if dr Parnia will have a Nobel prize if it’s successful . Here he is explaining his research as well as NDEs during cardiac arrest on the dr Oz show . I know I know it’s dr Oz but he’s been on cnn nbc etc .
I’m making a prediction right now . If aware 2 is a success I’m predicting one of the atheist 4 horsemen of atheism Sam Harris will leave the atheist physicalist worldview . Harris already said that if someone sees the images during cardiac arrest that it will be impressive evidence for survival of consciousness after physical death . That will leave Dawkins and dennett but both are too stubborn and dogmatic to follow the evidence . Parnia who is a resuscitation Doctor will also be looking at his COOL results where he will cool his patients body temperature down as low as 65 degrees and will probably be including these results non either aware 2 or answperate study If you wanna follow the aware 2 study the aware of aware blog is the place to do it https://awareofaware.co/
No NDEs do not provide and evidence whatsoever that consciousness survives actual physical death. There is a reason they are called " Near Death Experiences"
And the same arguement applies to studies that are trying to pretend that near brain death is the same as actual brain death. If the brain can be restored to functioning the brain was never actually dead.
That is just a blog. Where can one find the actualy study and the hypothesis the study is tring to prove?
<Rule 2/3> As Parnia noted in his video presentation that I posted 30 seconds after cardiac arrest youbare dead as the brain is not functioning . Your confusing clinical death with biological death where the cells have decayed to far to be brought back . This is why dr Parnia is lobbying to change the name of ndes durig cardiac arrest from ndes to ades or actual death experiences and since he’s a resuscitation specialist this is also his field as well https://www.urbo.com/content/people...hat-happened-while-they-were-clinically-dead/ Parnia uses his medical background to point out that there is a very clear line between life and death: “people who have had a cardiac arrest weren’t near death. They were dead.” He advocates calling these situations an Actual-Death Experience, or ADE. <Rule 2/3> I told everyone here Atheism is really an emotional worldview and I told them if they ever wanted to test my hypothesis out just get well versed in the NDE data then present it to them and bam . <Rule 2/3> You want atheism to be true and I can understand wanting certain things to be true . If the religion of atheism makes you feel comfortable then more power to you . Me personally I can’t understand why anyone would want desperately a religion to be true that tells you that you are nothing but an ultimately meaningless piece of meat . From now on I won’t be responding to you until you show me that you have done some actual research into the subject we are dialoguing about . I’m basically wasting precious time that I simply don’t have to waste . God bless
I’ve already decimated this argument plus there is a load of ancillary evidence from nde researchers like dr long that massively favor the survival view . I would suggest starting from the beginning with the man who brought NDE research into the scientific realm dr Bruce Greyson professor emeritus at the university of Virginia and former head of the division of perceptual studies there as well . If your looking for evidence that ndes are brain based your gonna be sorely disappointed . This is why I always stated that ndes are atheisms worst nightmare come to life . This is why john beloff the great atheist philosopher begged his fellow atheists to stop fighting the afterlife evidence and try to find a naturalistic explanation for it as its only getting stronger every year . Some atheists like Stuart hameroff , Roger penrose and David chalmers have heeded that warning but most like you court jester have decided to bury their heads in the sand and resorted to assertions from ignorance . Like I said start from the beginning with The Godfather of modern NDE research , hey to knownhis research and get to know the Greyson scale used to measure ndes and then you’ll be up to par in discussing ndes <Rule 2/3>
