The Attempt to Establish a Climate Ministry of Truth

I haven't argued about the history.

Let's just remember that was more than 20 years ago.

 

Where in space do we find climate?
As I said and repeat, NASA has a duty to understand weather. They fly in weather.

 

They were already selling the fiction that man has to take charge of Climate to stop doom.

I believe you admit Man can't take charge of Climate.
In fact when Trump suggested taking charge of Hurricanes, The Democrats had a fit mocking him.

 

I didn't say ANYTHING about space OR about flying.

BTW, one doesn't gain understanding of weather by failing to study our atmosphere.

 

You know, your nutty hyperbole is a clear indication that you've either stopped thinking or have some agenda that you aren't stating.

Yes, anyone thinking they can take charge of hurricanes is absolutely and totally ignorant.

 

Well, NOBODY thinks we can "take charge" of climate.

Seriously, this has been mentioned repeatedly.

Is this some weird attempt to politicize the issue, or is it just an issue of not understanding the science??

 

I am trying to dig out why man gets the blame. But you appear not to blame man for climate.

 

That would be an excellent place to start given they do harm globally.

Given you are not being attacked, try to stop attacking me.

 

My question to you was not about things you said, it is how you came to believe in space climate is important?

I think I have a good grasp on climate and weather and showed some of it when discussing Death Valley as a minor lab for climate.

https://everythingclimate.org/

 

WillReadmore, will you please explain to us the need for NASA being involved in climate by showing any major contribution to this that came from them?

 

No, science states that man can not CONTROL climate change, Earth's warming, hurricanes, etc.

However, mankind absolutely DOES affect it by the joint activities of 7.5 billion humans.

We get our heat from the Sun and perhaps some small amount from Earth's core. So, changes in the Sun make a difference, though perhaps the larger issue is the filtering that our atmosphere provides.

There are the extremes of the Sun and outer space. Our atmosphere affects how much heat reaches Earth and how much heat gets emitted to space. It's a balancing act that can be tilted one way or the other with perturbations of our atmosphere.

Humans affect out atmosphere.

 

I haven't said "space climate" EVER. So, you'll have to explain what you mean by that.

AGAIN, Death Valley is one location. I have NEVER seen any evidence that Death Valley is a valid proxy for Earth's temperature OR for heat distribution OR for effects of temperature change, as Death Valley is a fairly unique and unpopulated environment. As far as I can tell, Death Valley is absolutely irrelevant.

 

WTF. If you want to know what NASA is doing, go to NASA.com.

Their contributions are massive. Remember that part of the mission given to them by congress is to study our atmosphere, from Earth's surface to outer space.

Their contributions in that are enormous.

 

It's actually about how the publicly created value of land is such an enormous prize that the whole of economic science was deliberately corrupted to enable and secure its continued private appropriation.

Right. Should people be taxed according to what they contribute to society by their labor, or according to what they take from society by depriving others of access to economic opportunity that would otherwise be available? Not rocket science.

 

Yes it is.

Yes it was.

No, they genuflected to anti-fossil-fuel hysteria and pretended it had a scientific basis.

 

Another ion a series of falsehoods.

 

I keep waiting for SPECIFIC information to show up, but he doesn't post it thus useless.

 

?? Just go read what Hays cited.

 

Which provoked your string of falsehoods.

 

The Ministry of Truth corrupts peer review.
Activists Get A Recent Paper That Threatens Climate Alarm Narratives Removed From Journal
By Kenneth Richard on 30. September 2021

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Post-publication rejection of peer-reviewed scientific papers precisely because they are “are highly controversial due to their political and social implications” are another means climate activists continue their banishment of dissent on climate change. . . .

 

OK, let me get this straight: the defenestrated reviewers were unacceptable to La Carbonostra because they have ties to industry that "could benefit from the paper's conclusions." Last I looked, companies in any industry try to make profits by correctly determining the facts and acting accordingly. So any competently managed company operating in the relevant field could be expected to "benefit from" any paper that reaches any factually correct conclusions. So any reviewer with any ties to any company that operates competently in the relevant field is automatically disqualified -- unless the paper's conclusions are factually incorrect (which seems to be the intended outcome).

That about it?

 

You got it.

 

The Ministry of Truth casts out those whose loyalty is questioned.
Paul Bryan on Steven Koonin: Cancel Culture at Work
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Emotions run high in the climate debate between the ‘settled-science’ alarmists and cautious, data-driven critics. There is every reason to listen and learn in a quite unsettled area (climate models?)…

 

The Ministry of Truth imposes financial penalties as well to silence those who stray from orthodoxy.

Google Demonetizes Websites Which Contradict Their Climate Narrative
Eric Worrall
According to The Register, Google’s advertisers have demanded their ads not be shown on pages which dispute the climate emergency. . . .

 

There's a story there. Once, not that long ago, Death Valley was an inland sea. We know this. Now it isn't. Mankind had zero to do with that. Of course Death Valley is relevant. It, in and of itself, may not be a proxy, but it certainly demonstrates the natural variability of locations where the local climate has significantly changed over time. While you're trying to quibble, explain why all of the local land stations in and along the west coast of N America have shown a decidedly downward temperature record.