The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales

RE: The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales
※→ ChemEngineer, et al,

While you might find this clearly and precisely presented (good writing), it is NOT source knowledge obtain by means of the senses, particularly by observation and experimentation. These three sources present an applied or practical theory that cannot be tested or subjected to critical evaluation necessary to establish the "truth" of a presentation. All of the premises MUST be established to be ⇒ actually true. --- Otherwise, a deductive argument is unsound.

The Ontological Argument attempts to demonstrate that the existence of a Supreme Being (SB) → Ultimate Cosmic Creator (UCC) is such a perfect being that the SB/UCC could not possibly fail to exist. However, the SB/UCC is undefined. The existence of of a Perfect Being is the basic argument supported by the theory of intelligent design.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

"The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales"
No, no, no!! Don't you KNOW that the dragons in the Bible are REAL, whereas the dragons in all these are FALSE!? Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, Harry Potter, etc.

 

Agreed.
Yes, I'm sick of people claiming that the Bible is superior to the Islamic texts - the Bible is NOT superior. BOTH are about as equally barbaric.

 

Im sick of people claiming Secular Humanists are superior and Jews/Muslims/Christians are inferior.

 

Trumpcare won't cover those pre-existing conditions caused by religions. You're going to have to use the biblical health care plan in James 5:13-15 (NKJV) = "13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven"

 

Of course Modern Secular Humanists are "superior" (well, more ethical, more caring, more loving) - here let me show that you are wrong about this - Ronstar, would you recommend that Christians say this most-loving prayer? "Jesus, please change your ways and let ethical Muslims into heaven and avoid hell."
If you can NOT recommend that Christians say this most-loving prayer then you are not as ethical as Modern Secular Humanists, are, of course. Can you recommend that Christians say this loving prayer, Ronstar.

 

Brilliant point!
Yes, Trumpcare is better than Jesuscare!!
Wyrd, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I admire you WAY more than Jesus/Allah/God/Mohammad.

 

Get used to it, however, because we obviously have the FACTS on our side.

 

One side relies on science, reason, common sense, and ethics - the other side relies on magic, tradition, fear, and has immoral teacings (approving of burning non-believers in a barbaric "lake of fire", etc.).....guess which one will rise and which one is already falling?

 

you've posted none of the sort.

 

I don't post/believe in a talking donkey, a talking snake, a talking burning bush, or a magic invisible 2000 year-old talking dead guy who hates Muslims so incredibly much that he bars all Muslims from his elitist/racist invisible country-club in the sky simply for thinking differently than he does.

 

Everything posted by a Leftist is flamebait, and when do you see them called for it? Almost never.

 

If the universe knows it exists ... and can manipulate itself through force of will (kind of like a human can move a finger through force of will) and is thus responsible for the forces of the universe then the above Ultimate Cosmic Creator claim would be true.

I would claim such a thing is not only possible but probable.
Humans are made of matter/energy (I put them together as at the sub atomic level they transform - one into the other). Matter is essentially a different form of energy so I will just use the term "energy".

Fact: At some point some form of energy gained knowledge of itself. We know this is true because we know we exist.

What is more is that this knowledge (the will) can manifest itself into physical reality. Proof - look down at the pinky on your left hand ... now wiggle it. This is a profound thing you just did. You made your finger move through force of will.

Now imagine if you could extend that power outside your physical being .. this would be a godlike power.

In my example the universe is the physical being of God and so it does not have to extend it's power outside its physical being to engage in creation.

Since one form of energy (humans, animals) manage to know they exist it stands to reason that there are other higher forms of energy that also know of their own existence.

If, on a grand scale, the energy of the universe knows it exists then the force that created the earth and humans was the hand of God.

 

Wow, you're taking some ridiculous leaps assuming this nonsense. There very well "could" be higher life forms, but to suggest that this possibility leads to a god created the universe is unfounded.

 

Of course NEVER!!! They say our President is immoral and a liar. They project that on all of us as well. You know Chem, I find it interesting they attack my Faith which I hold deeply, as a "fairy tale". They do it often and repeatedly. It seems our moderators are "politically correct left". If it goes the way of the last forum I was on, I and others are soon to be purged.

 

And what do you consider Hindus faith based on?

 

Honestly I have not studied Hinduism. I do believe it is a faith of many Gods but if I am wrong, I don't intend to slander. I do know that Jesus said, "I am the way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me." I need not explore further because I believe.

 

Isn't that a bit short-sighted. I used to believe many things until I explored those beliefs. There's no evidence that Jesus ever said those words. In any case we have the same sort of evidence (written words) that the same was said by others - in different words. To quote Marcus Borg 'Can one know the way, the truth, and the life apart from Jesus? For me, the answer is yes. The enduring religions of the world all include lovers of God and saints in whom one can see the way, the truth, and the life. But for those of us who are Christians, we see the way, the truth, and the life preeminently in Jesus. He is our way, our truth, our life'.

 

If we do not know what Jesus said....what is the use? It would be a religious game I believe. Did Lincoln actually say the Gettysburg Address? I didn't hear it. We can doubt most anything.

 

Apart from the fact that there are several copies written in Lincolns handwriting, while we have no evidence that Jesus - the Christ - existed. All we have are books written decades after. I'm quite happy that Jesus - the Jewish preacher - lived and preached. Most of his teaching is Jewish, his parables are often from the Tanakh so his followers would understand them. In the main his life follows Jewish teaching, even down to his temptation and baptism. His disciples - or whoever wrote the Gospels added events to give him his deity. Matthew uses the Tanakh for his birth - when clearly anyone who has studied the Tanakh can see the so-called prophecies have nothing to do with Jesus and Luke makes a hash of his Nativity story. The trial and crucifixion are also mixed up - both in the Gospels and according to Jewish law and ritual and Roman Law of the time.

 

We have photographs of Lincoln and his signature on government documents.

 

Since Hindus don't worship/believe in Jesus, that makes their religion what?

What is evident is that there are numerous religions in the world. Most are geographic. What they have in common is that they are based on unverifiable claims. These other religions believe in their books and traditions the same as you do yours. Yet, you are atheist to their claims.

Do you see any rationale in why so many on earth do not accept Jesus as god? The reality is that you(and myself) were indoctrinated with the Christian religion and traditions. This does not make the Christian claims of deity real, anymore than any other religion.

Honest inspection of the Bible and traditions will expose the contradictions and falsehoods that prove the religion to be just another false religion. It is one thing to blindly accept the religion for its hopeful attributes in faith, yet another to wrongly claim it is what it is not.

 

Yes, the Bible, like many other religious books is fiction written by men. Was it written to control populations with a powerful eye in the sky? As folklore? Maybe both?

I understand that life is difficult. Losing loved ones, especially a child, can be devastating. Believing in a heaven and reuniting with loved ones brings contentment. Even as an atheist, I can't say there is no heaven and reunification with loved ones, so I maintain a smidgen of hope.

But, all evidence points to nothingness at death. And, at the very best, if there is a higher being, it is indifferent to our existence.

Personally, I refuse to hang my hat on any religion and books that clearly reflect an evil higher being, which is clearly evident in the abrahamic religions.

I pity those who, in their weakness for a religion(afterlife) choose this horrific being to provide them solace.

 

My suggestion was not that God created the universe. My suggestion was that God is the universe.

 

Would this "universe" be tied to a specific religion?