The Bible says abortion is NOT murder.

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Yes, all wars can be summed up as inconveniences, someone or something was inconvenient to someone. Someone may find it inconvenient to have another country pushing their borders for example. .

    If it was convenient they'd overlook it....as to "pointless", we won't go into Vietnam.

    Women's lives and health are not trifling or petty either even if you think so. And for some having a kid would be inconvenient.

    AND it doesn't matter whether YOU think so or not :)...they'll have abortions no matter what your opinion is :)
     
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    Incorrect. Pregnancy has a HUGE impact on a woman's body, at the very least it causes her great pain and discomfort. Therefore, abortion is equivalent to self defense.

    As for the term murder:

    Definition of murder
    1. 1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought was convicted of murder

    2. 2a : something very difficult or dangerous the traffic was murder carrying the luggage was murder on my backb : something outrageous or blameworthy getting away with murder

    3. 3: a flock of crowsThere's a reason the proper term for a flock of them is a murder of crows, and it's not because we like having them around. — Jeffrey Kluger
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder


    Now, if you continue to say murder is the "unnecessary taking of a life", then you will be lying as you have been schooled in the definition of the word.
     
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    Who has said that legal = moral? Please post the message number(s) or link(s) to the post(s).
     
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    If your source for 'what is legal' and 'what is moral' both come from majority social opinion, then both 'what is legal' and 'what is moral' are going to be the same. Thats what i mean by 'legal = moral.' People getting both their laws and morality from the high school popularity contest of public opinion.
     
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    YOU may mean that but YOU claimed I said it and that was a lie.

    Legal does NOT mean "moral"...

    Are you aware that some people do not think things like rape or murder are immoral?? There are.

    But laws against rape and murder are in place to preserve peace without them there's be chaos and that's what laws are for , to prevent chaos..

    There are laws I don't consider right or "moral" but they're still laws...

    Some people think abortion is immoral but it's still legal so those who don't think it's immoral have a right to it...
     
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    Birth is what the Rabbis set....
     
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    Understood. As I don't know who (the you is if not the soul/spirit) in Jeremiah 1:5 is known by God before being formed in the womb? Was it Jeremiah's spirit or body or something else? According to the Rabbi's teaching. Thanks.
     
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    Just curious for your thought. What was the inconvenience summing up the;

    American Revolution?

    Civil War?

    WWI?

    WWII?

    Korea?

    Viet Nam?

    Gulf War I?

    Gulf War II?

    North Korea?
     
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    If, as the US Supreme Court notes, death is the absence of brainwaves, then life must be the presence of brainwaves, which can be objectively measured by medical diagnostic equipment.
     
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    It doesn't matter what every society does or does not do, since it is objective.

    The meaning or definition of of "objective" is not dependent on what the population believes.
     
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    Yep. Like most religious people, you pick and choose. You pick the parts that are agreeable to you and dismiss those parts that aren't. Unfortunately, all religious people are not as nice as you. Those people also pick and choose and do all kinds of horrific things "In The Name Of God".
     
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    that happens between week 24 and 28. And it is not the presence of brainwaves
     
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    Obviously, you choose to ignore that the reason for killing Jews is not that it was legal. The reason for the holocaust was thousands of years of Christian based anti-Semitism. The same Christian based anti-Semitism that was championed by Martin Luther. The Martin Luther whose writings Hitler used to flame the fervor of German Christians against Jews.
     
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    what's moral = social majority opinion = what's legal, constrained of course within Constitutional bounds

    Your own words.


    ETA: Do you have a better way?
     
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    God is speaking to Jeremiah, the young man, and telling him essentially that "if anyone gives you a rough time about your age tell them I knew you before I formed you." This is not a verse about the foetus nor is it a verse about human pre-existence rather it is about God's foreknowledge.
     
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    It matters precisely. Objective means there can be no other interpretations. 100% have to see it the same way, everytime.
    ob·jec·tive
    əbˈjektiv/
    adjective
    1. 1.
      (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
    Yes, independent of society, personal belief, etc. The definition for life would not change throughout mankind and history.
     
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    Spare me. It is the anti aborts who can not make an argument without logical fallacy or linguistic bastardization.

    Even the term "Pro-Life" is an obfuscation.

    The "its a human life" phrase we hears so often. Conflating the descriptive adjective of the word "human" with the noun form.

    And then there is nonsense such as
    , inferring that the zygote is a someone.

    Let me know when you have an actual "argument" = 1) a statement of claim followed by 2) proof (or at least some rational - non fallacious- justification that this claim is true)
     
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    I never inferred the "zygote is a someone." Those are your words, not mine. I follow the Supreme Court's interpretation of death as the absence of brainwaves. Conversely, life must be the presence of brainwaves. That occurs at about 12-14 weeks.
     
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    You do I am sure know that all animals are sentient. Hope you are a vegetarian.
     
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    If you are claiming electrical impulses are brainwaves you are correct. But just electrical impulses do not really indicate in any way a functioning brain.
     
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    Fine, brainwaves are an indication of "life" but they do NOT indicate that that "life" is a person....
     
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    Apologies for the misrepresentation. Significant brain function does not occur until roughly 25 weeks. The wiring of the brain is not complete until then.

    http://brainblogger.com/2009/05/10/medical-controversy-when-does-life-begin/
     
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    That's not what Objective means.

    Anything Objective exists independent of the knower. The chair in which I'm now sitting exists independent of you, whether you exist or not. According to your definition, the Holocaust is not objectively evil, since some people believe it never took place, which is an absurd proposition.

    Rape is objectively evil, just as sure as the Sun and the Moon and the Stars objectively exist.
     
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    The bible's a collection of myths and fantasy stories!
     

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