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The big myth of the second amendment

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, Mar 25, 2021.

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    The point is that your notion that there is no militia is wrong.
     
    garyd, Mar 30, 2021
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  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You really think any one is going to tell anti gun leftist zealots whether or not they own a gun?
     
    garyd, Mar 30, 2021
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    So you can't show us any legislation which abolished them. Thank you.
     
    rahl, Mar 30, 2021
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    It does no such thing it merely creates an adjunct to the reserve. It does not replace the militia, you can, at best claim it augments it by providing heavy weapons not carried by the common soldier.
     
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  5. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Evolution, not replacement. State governors retain important command authorities.
     
    Jack Hays, Mar 30, 2021
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  6. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry, but the "historical evidence" in the paper is highly curated to support the outcome desired before, rather than after, the evidence was assembled.
     
    Jack Hays, Mar 30, 2021
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And it's wrong. You will, of course disagree, but I support the Heller decision which is quite logical and is based on the words used without trying to claim they say something they do not say.
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no militia.

    Sorry
     
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  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no militia.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Mar 30, 2021
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  10. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Armies controlled by the government are not evolutions, they are standing armies. The militia is an anacronism.
     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Did you read the paper?
     
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    Of course there is lol. Why do you think I you can’t find any legislation which disbanded them?
     
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  13. garyd

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    Oh nobody lives here anymore?
     
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  14. Jack Hays

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    The National Guard commands are largely controlled by the governors and most of their deployments are non-military.
     
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    A Militia is all individuals raised from the civil population to supplement a military in an emergency.
    There is ALWAYS a militia. You're talking to one.
     
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  16. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your premise is really meaningless because you could apply that characterization to just about any opinion which is based on history.

    In the meantime,

    Read the paper. in fact, the paper covers the various arguments on the subject.
     
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  17. garyd

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    Yes, it's bunkum. Typical late 20th early 21st sociological bs full of the usual cherry picked quotes often taken out of context historical and other wise bias confirmation etc. Suffice it to say that Scalia et al had more than sufficient reason to ignore it in their findings.
     
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    They weren't abolished. They are the National Guard.
     
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  19. rahl

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    no they aren't. They are every citizen.
     
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    Sorry, but that's not the case. There's a difference between a fair-minded interpretation and a selective presentation. The former is history, even when it comes with disagreement; the latter is a polemic, even when it is disguised as history.
     
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    Semantic argument. You can have it your way. I fail to like the idea of having membership in a militia to be necessary to able to own and bear arms.
     
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    Oh I'm not arguing that membership in a militia is tied to owning a firearm. If you took that from my post, that was not my intention or argument.
     
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    Most militia organizations envisage themselves as legally legitimate organizations, despite the fact that all 50 states prohibit private paramilitary activity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_militia_movement

    So called militias do not act in an official capacity any longer.
     
    Lee Atwater, Mar 31, 2021
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  24. garyd

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    No the aren't.
     
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  25. garyd

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    They never did before...
     
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