The coup investigation is about to enter a new phase.

Or it could have just been a 4 hour riot of a few hundred idiots.
Think I'll go with Occams Razor on this one.
Thanks

 

No its not. Command is exercised through the secretary of defense and the commanding general. Not the President. lol

 

How many of these (we got Trump now) threads have we seen in the last 5 years?
And with the very same batting average for criminal charges against Trump thus far. ZERO/10000

 

Did you read your source? The secretary of defense is second to the President, which means the president has plenary power when it comes to our armed forces, and in this instance, the DC national guard.

Are you saying if the president wanted to activate the DC national guard, he would have to seek permission from the secretary of defense lol.

 

~ A president calling in the National Guard to respond to a situation is very rare. I believe it did happen during civil rights riots in the 1960's.
Normally the president does not interfere and expects the Governors and/or secretary of state do their job. Trump did have them on stand-by. The fact everyone is throwing blame around is very suspicious.

 

Not only did he stall in ordering their deployment, he was Guilini were calling Senators to get them to stop the certification.

And, what does he gain anyway? The certification would have taken place even if the worst outcome happened to Pence.

What does a delay do for Trump?

 

Nice spin... he does control the guard but you are wanting him to illegally send troops to the Capitol. Is that what you are wanting him to do.. It looks like Trump knows the rules and smarter than that..

The chief of staff at DoD says otherwise
10,000 guard was offered by Trump 2 days before.. Guards are only deployed if asked for first by the mayor or Capitol Police, and not by Trump. It would be illegal for Trump to just send them in. It is a law enforecement function not a military function. They can assist the Capitol Police through a request for help..

 

~ I guess everyone could just blame the whole thing on Putin ...

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The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law[1] that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion.

 

I wonder about what specific legislation they have in mind to thwart coups.......

 

However try finding it on a list of anyone's concerns on the coming election... By the way I suspect that posters idea of a moderate has voted Democrat in the last 10 elections.

 

Wrong .

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/07/1062...r-calls-for-reform-to-the-electoral-count-act

 

meet the New Phase. Same as the Old Phase.

Which was pretty much a dud.

 

Please cite where it states she is in charge of security

 

Your subjective opinion not being supported by the objective truth.

 

Kinda hard to remember something that I don't watch wouldn't you say? And I don't watch late night talk show hosts. They're not even close to being factual. They are about comedy. And comedy exaggerates. So whatever he said is irrelevant to what I said.

 

Put yourself in his place. You know you have thousands of people going to protest around the Capital. Would you expect that a number of them might get out of hand?

Yes I would, especially if the FBI said they have information of some people wanting to break into the Capital and cause trouble. Did the FBI relay that message to Trump and the Capital Guards? If they did, why did the Capital Guards turn it down?

In order to do that, they have to prove that they ordered their supporters to break into the Capital and cause the trouble and I don't think they can do that,

 

When the head guy said it was she turned down the NG because if concerns over appearances. You the they threw under the Bus the next day.

 

That argument doesn't work for several reasons:

1. He held rallies with thousands of people before and after January 6, 2021. Why would he anticipate the crowd "getting out of hand" for one grouping of his supporters?

2. He lied about making the request. It never happened. He tried to float that lie as if his hands were tied. They weren't. He was the POTUS. It was his job to make good decisions for our country and our people, not only look out for his back.

3. Pence and Pelosi asked him to call in the National Guard and he refused (that's not consistent with him making a pre-emptive strike to have them there). They stepped in and called for reinforcements.

 

The first I heard Pelosi and Pence asked him to call out the Guard. Do you have solid evidence of that? And taking your own words, why should he call out the Guard? "He held rallies with thousands of people before and after January 6, 2021. Why would he anticipate the crowd "getting out of han for one grouping of his supporters"? You can't have it both ways.

Now let me ask you a question. The FBI had information as to a group of supporters, or trouble makers planning to make trouble at the protest at the Capital. Did the FBI inform Trump or the Capital Police? If so, why did the Capital Police turn the Guard down? Does that make sense with that big a crowd? Now if they had allowed the Guard, would the break in to the Capital ever happened? No, it just would have been a big loud protest.

 

If our democracy had been subverted in that way, it absolutely would have been used by the president to invoke emergency powers. After all, there isn't some specification in law or constitution that describes what the next steps would be.

The idea that the assassination of the VP or any other high official or the termination of the ongoing certification process would have simply led to a resumption of the process on a subsequent date is just plain silly.

What would have come next could have been nearly anything.

As the president strongly asserted that the entire election was fraudulent, why would anyone think Trump would have directed (or allowed) the certification process to be resumed?

 

It was talked about for months back when it happened. Pence took lead. Note: I didn't pick a specific source. I just pulled this from the top of the Google search.


Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard/index.html

It sounds to me like there may have been some red tape (obstruction) somewhere and when the SHTF everybody is scrambling to point fingers at the other people for dropping the ball. Obviously, the Capitol Police played a significant role because the COP resigned shortly after and two officers present that day committed suicide this past Summer.

Further, I believe that Trump wanted it to happen the way it did and would have felt the mission was accomplished if the rioters that breached the building had found him and hurt him. The reasons are...

1. Trump tried to bully Pence into not doing his sworn duty. Pence told him that he had to honor his oath as VP.
2. That infuriated Trump so he lied to his supporters that Pence *could* stop the certification, but wouldn't do it.
3. Trump tweeted that his supporters should come to the area on that date adding "It's going to be wild!."
4. Trump gave an inflammatory speech at that rally followed by Giuliani adding fuel to the fire.
5. Trump was watching it unfold on television as the rioters were scaling the walls, attacking officers and breaching the building.
6. Trump and Giuliani both called Senator Lee to stop the process (proves he wasn't concerned with the violence at that time).
7. At some point, Pence took the lead to get back-up because Trump hesitated.
8. Trump tweeted "We love you all" again, completely tone-deaf on the violence and the breach unfolding.
9. There were rumblings that, privately, he was very disappointed the rioters didn't meet their objective. To him, they "failed".
10. To this day, Trump has never acknowledged the officer that were killed, committed suicide or were severely hurt that day.

I get it. A lot of people like him but liking a person should not mean blindly justifying any egregious behavior on their part and that responsibility should be even stronger when talking about the person that was supposed to lead our country effectively.

 

I wasn't trying to minimize the outcome or impact of Pence being severely injured or killed. My point is there are policies and procedures in place that addresses all kinds of possible scenarios and that is one of them.

Further, if Pence had been killed and Trump seized power, he would lose the authority to command the military to do his biding.

Please correct me if that's incorrect, but I'm hard-pressed to find any long-term viable solution for him to seize power and try to stay there. Every branch of the military, law enforcement officers, back-ups would respond in kind and take back our White House. Trump must have suspected that (or somebody told him) which is why he didn't join the rioters when he said he's walk to the Capitol with them. Even before that, he and Melania snubbed the inauguration and left that morning. If he thought he could get away with it, why wouldn't he refuse to exit the premises?

 

What Trump did on 1/6 was treason, pure and simple. One CYA sentence doesn't cut it as an excuse. It fits the Constitutional definition in that he was indeed levying war against them (the States of the US, through their Congress) It wasn't an effective war by any means but since when to we gauge the seriousness of a crime by how successfully it was carried out?

"Hey, we realize that you meant to rob the bank but you didn't have any guns and your getaway car was an Uber, who was late. Additionally, you didn't get any money but only got away with the dye packet which blew up and colored you all blue so you were easily picked up at your girlfriend's. The only injury was a guard who had a stroke from laughing so hard. We're going to let you go" Do you think that last consequence a likely outcome?

Trump should be arrested, indicted and tried for treason. Any of his supporters in Congress and elsewhere should be in cells right beside him. The man is guilty as charged and there are literally millions of eyewitnesses