The Cultural Contradictions of Conservatism and the Death of the GOP

Because that's what the left has told you. I get it. It's a circular information source.

 

So you think the national media to be "crypto-right?"

If you are that delusional I'm not sure what you could possibly add to political conversations on this forum. There are some posters who are so far out there that they are basically posting to themselves. I dunno but you may be one of them. You've not really distinguished yourself in this thread.

So we'll see.

 

It's happened through several pivotal Supreme Court decisions: e.g. Brown vs. the Board of Education, Griswold vs. Connecticut, Engel vs. Vitale, Miranda vs. Arizona, Roe vs. Wade etc. A lot of the personal freedoms people today take for granted were laid down in those decisions by the Liberal mid-20th century Court. Then there are acts of the Legislature, like the Voting Rights act.

 

All what you're saying here only goes to your own ignorance. Learn something about the Left, rather than blithely assuming you know it all.

 

Ah no its because I listen to what the right says about us and know their full of it.

 

Oh I'm not claiming that I know it all, but I know more about the left than you do the right.

 

uh ok

 

This is where the resentment over their condition that conservatives began to crawl into their shells and scream at the rest of the world. It first came to light during the Scopes Monkey Trial. The contrast could not be more glaring. The people of Appalachia in all the charm of their backwater lifestyles, the poor quality of the housing, the limitations on the language and knowledge of a wider world, and their beliefs that include the handling of snakes and the speaking in tongues. That set against the reporters who grew up in upper middle class families, attended top notch colleges and were well paid working for prestigious newspapers and magazines. Most of whom were a bit on the not so religious side of things. It is the same as it has always been. Each side has its own literature. One side has always been rather high minded, in search of reality as we find it. The other side, more conspiratorial theological thinking.

If anyone doubts the things said about the GOP, one only has to look at the efforts that have been taken to deny the will of the people in the selection of the president. It has been a good thing that no Republican government officials in a position have power have allowed the effort to succeed, but there are quite a few, leaders and followers alike, who are still refusing to accept the outcome.

 

Care to back up that claim? Nothing you've ever said here gives me any reason to credit it.

 

So, is it true, that if it were not for conservatives’ willingness to overpay for coffee, that young college educated liberals would have nowhere to work, and would forever be doomed to live a life in their parents’s basement? Seems to be the consensus from conservatives.

 

I refer you to the post just above yours, #33. Believe it or not, snake handling and speaking in tongues are not the predominate pass times of the right.

 

Hmmm have I made that claim?

 

The old, “if you aren’t following the herd, you’re not worthy of paying attention to” argument I see. Yet it mattered so much, that you paid enough attention to, that you had to respond. As the title alludes to, a clear contradiction in thought.

 

You evidently have a problem with reading comprehension. In fact the Scopes trial was a pivotal event in the rise of the religious right - and therefore of today's right.

 

William Jennings Bryan, an educated Democrat from Illinois and twice Presidential candidate with broad support, not Appalachian hillbilly snake-charmers, argued against Scopes/Darrow in court. Religious fundamentalism was not just a characteristic of the South at the time, but the entire country; the U.S., you see, was under Prohibition, supported by a broad coalition from all parts of the political spectrum including "progressives," especially relatively newly minted female voters. The KKK was coincidentally having a huge nationwide resurgence led primarily in the NE and Midwest, less in the South but there too. This KKK resurgence was also a broad coalition including progressive Democrats, not only "conservatives," as the facts of the preceding irrefutably progressive (and racist) Wilson Presidency and other national politics at the time attest. So the above quoted fantastical LARP is pure misinformation.

But please do continue enlightening us all with your infantile, typical ahistorical polarizations. It's funny, and explains exactly where your simplistic "black hat/white hat" political awareness originated.

Now do the OJ Simpson trial, since we are apparently making outlandishly absurd and inaccurate comparisons having little bearing on the thread topic. Should be a hoot.

 

The Trump was elected as the Republican nominee by bashing the Republican establishment, officials, and other candidates. Which of course makes the character of Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz seem rather off, considering how they now act. Like they took the abuse and rolled over for a tummy rub. And to the likes of the Trump, no less.

The Republican Party has long been the party of two distinct groups. One is the right wingers, those who think that society should be so construed as to most benefit the wealthy, the powerful, and the well connected. The other is conservatives. Conservatives as the demographics tell us, are mostly non-college educated white men and their wives and girlfriends.

In the last election, at the height of the campaign, the Trump campaign ran out of money. I’m sure the shift occurred at least two years ago. Those with money and power, the captains of industry, finance, and commerce, saw that the Trump, on all of its ineptitude was destroying the United Stated and its standing in the world. It was the Republican faction of this group who pulled their money from the Trump and instead supported Biden’s efforts. Even Charles Koch has come out and sort of apologized for the monster that he has helped create.

 

Yeah - And? All this is essential backstory to the course that the latter 20th century GOP (and into the 21st century) would take.

 

I was addressing the intellectual divide in America. Is that not what this thread is about, in a round about way? Do you read the Atlantic?

 

Those I know who have left the GOP did so because it became indistinguishable from the Democratic Party.

 

Trump is the closest this country has come to an authoritarian dictatorship, we dodged a bullet this time

 

There is no essential backstory, other than emergent progressivism, during the Scopes/Prohibition Era and somewhat after that applies to latter 20th century due to the then unknown impacts of the Depression, WW2, the Welfare State, Civil Rights and Viet Nam. The eventual "party switch" of the 80s and 90s took place very gradually, well after Civil Rights, and was conditioned most on the following factors:

1. Post WW2 boom across the country, especially in the post reconstruction South, that enriched a new class of big government averse/ tax averse affluent who rightly or wrongly, perceived Democrats as the big government-high tax party. Reagan capitalized well on this emerging tax aversion among newly affluent middle class Americans.
2. Abortion, and it's not some kind of "fundamentalism" to disagree with abortion. That was a huge sea change in public policy with which many non fundamentalists disagree today. I support regulated abortion, but see the other side, and it's not just backwards conservative fundamentalists on that other side.
3. Perception of Democrats as the party of communist/hippie/Marxist feminist sympathizers during VN, the Youth Movement, the PC 80-90s and radical feminism.
4. Perception of Democrats as the party of lawlessness post 30 or so years of riots from Kent State to Detroit to LA and domestic LW terrorism.
5. Perception of Democrats as the party attempting to constrain 2A rights.
6. Perception of Democrats as open borders and supportive of illegal alienage.
7. Fundamental disagreement with a central federal welfare state as opposed to state based or local charitable safety nets.
8. Perception of Democrats as the party of MSM.

Now, sure there are other factors, including vestigial racism in the South and elsewhere, but those factors are lightweights in comparison to the larger factors above, and had little to do with the gradual shift in U.S. politics that prevails today. Anyone who does not include the very necessary context of the above large factors in any analysis in favor of hollering "RACISSSSS!" instead is either ignorant or a purposeful liar.

 

I bet you can't even name the elite opinion journals of the right. You probably think there isn't any erudite right thinking at all.
I bet you can't even name the elite opinion journals of the right. You probably think there isn't any erudite right thinking at all.

One thing I learned is that the Left doesn't understand the Right at all.

Didn't I already point you to some research that discovered Conservatives understand Liberals much better than the other way around? I'm sure I did, but contradictory findings are often filtered out of the Liberal mind.

 

Your "Perception" is mostly wrong.

 

You posted a grossly inaccurate, offensive cliché', par for the course. I'm rereading some Heidegger, Suzuki Shosan, a compilation of Kipling short stories and poems, a history of Piracy in Buccaneer times, etc. Why on Earth would I read effete, partisan drivel such as The Atlantic? Even InfoWars is more credible. My news comes from professional and financial sites and I get it in about 5 minutes a day.

Here's a tip especially for you, read original sources of actual history, etc., not partisan-filtered stuff. It will do you a world of good.

 

Completely wrong.

The republicans did indeed go through a change nd currently are at the peak of it, first with the Tea Party and now Trump and we are indeed going to get rid of the GOP and rename us to represent our more traditional conservative values but we certainly aren't going anywhere as out turnout should indicate to you.

%he party you should be worried about a4e the democrats who are trying and failing to hold off the very liberal progressive movement. It's going to be a clear choice of sides with the law, God, morals and values on one side and the opposite on the left.

We will see who wins.