The debt is proof of our wealth

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the laugh.
     
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    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    Hm, you say I'm hurting you. How do you know?
     
  3. james M

    james M Banned

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    you said owning land and owning slaves was the same thus making you insane as only person in world to believe that'

    you said, "But neither[owning land or owning slaves] is more rightful than the other."
     
  4. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    @bringiton
    The government has never helped me defend my property.
    My property is mine because I say so and I am able and willing to fight for it.

    Other people have often decided that what is mine is theirs.
    Those people, must learn to respect me or I will neutralise their ability to take from me.
    This is not a battle that I always win however.

    I don't own any slaves.

    In the event of any dispute of ownership the government is not interested.
    It is only interested in taxing me. In making it's own disputes with me.


    When I am being robbed, I dial 999 for government help.
    No help comes.


    The taxman however, he always comes.

    Dispute resolution. In my adopted culture, society has chosen me to resolve disputes. I make that judgement. I hold that honour and social status.
    In my native society, I still make that judgement on a personal level and at no point ever in my life has my judgement been rejected by society..



    Nature does not provide equally to all.
    A man born in the desert or on the tundra is not provided for by nature the same as a man born in a fertile temperate climate.

    Nature is not an omniscient god bringing Soviet Utopian equality to all. It's not even your friend.
    It is your enemy. If you do not defend your property from nature, nature will take it from you.
    It junglises. Other life forms colonise it.

    Calling me anti human doesn't make me so.
    You misspelt, misspelt.
    Your attempts to feel moral and intellectual superiority over me, demonstrate only your insecurity about yourself and your place in society.

    Pecking. The social pecking order.
    Pecking others down, is not a great way to climb the social ladder.
    It limits you.
    Achieve. Social respect will follow.
     
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  5. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    The idea that my owning land causes another to starve is ridiculous.
    I am not forcing you to starve. I am not forcing anyone to starve. Every single person in the world, whose life I have been unable or unwilling to save, was not killed by me.
    Keep your poison guilt.


    My unwillingness to starve so that you might eat in my stead?
    Perfectly reasonable.

    Stalin famously shipped the abundance of food from Ukraine to another territory in famine.
    And then every one in Ukraine starved instead.

    What owning my own land does is make me safer vs wannabe Stalin's.
    Who would gladly take from me to give to another that they deem as more meritworthy.
    (The lions share going to themselves obviously).

    Such people as these, fascists and communists etc, it's OK to kill. Advisable even.
     
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    Oh come on, you own land so next you’ll certainly want to own slaves. The only way to stop this is with an all knowing libNazi central govt.
     
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    lol. You got me wit that one.
     
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    There it is, right there. Expansion and growth to infinity is fallacy embraced only by hominids, bacteria and viruses as a life strategy. It is a goal and an existence devoid of responsibility and any semblance of coherence; it is a disease. This perceptual reality trashed and denuded Europe before pushing the “age of discovery/plunder/subjugation” across the planet in which the proponents of this twisted view of human endeavor slaughtered any who stood in the way, their own redundant populations included once they were no longer required in the pursuit profit. And we’re still at it. First the corporate state decided it no longer required the unsubstantial people for production, then the corporate state decided it no longer required the unsubstantial people for consumption either, so the unsubstantial people do not need enough left over to provide demand anymore.

    This is what austerity, voter suppression, mass incarceration, wage suppression, healthcare exclusion/withholding, corporate for profit prisons with convict labor leasing where the system can turn $40-50K per hominid per day, militarized police depts, and the evaporation of Habeas Corpus are for.

    The power structure knows full well it has lost all legitimacy and the endless wars of economic colonization both abroad and at home are now required to prop up the illusion and the petro dollar. Our authoritarian system has nothing to offer in response to the needs of society and the people but force, repression, violence and the murdering of unarmed citizens in the streets. It is the stuff of all empires in decline throughout history, and this economic/political system not only has no solution for any of this, but is vested in pursuing this all the way to its ultimate demise.
     
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  9. james M

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    expansion and growth since life emerged from the primordial ooze has worked our very well and is fun. You prefer doing nothing, boredom, mere existence itself as a goal? Dumb?
     
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    it does? If you have evidence i will pay you $10,000. Bet or admit you are BSing for no reason?
     
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    ??? if true why are you so afraid to name your best example of economic colonization?
    What did you learn from your very libcommie fear?
     
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    Watch my friend, watch.
     
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    It it being waged upon the american public as we speak. And your labels are only what power structures always do when questioned.
     
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    BSing all all you have:

    "If you have evidence i will pay you $10,000."

    You're on a chat board soiling yourself over not being agreed with.
     
  15. GodTom

    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We don't need to colonize anymore, countries are FORCED to trade in the US dollar.
     
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    In your opinion, which countries are forced to trade in the US dollar?

    Would you be willing to offer me example?

    I sort of think I don't agree with your statement.
     
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    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you think World's reserve currency means?
     
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    Reserve currencies.

    Many foreign countries currencies are used as reserve currencies to hedge against currency depreciation in a domestic economy.

    So for example, if I am worried about a potential sudden loss of value in the Pound, I may buy USD and Euro's. Hold them in my bank.
    Then if the Pound's value suddenly collapses Zimbabwe style, I can still buy food.

    I may also speculate on currency exchange rates. Buy Dollars and sell them back when they go up in value vs another currency.
    But equally I may by Yen or Renminbi or Roubles or Euro's or any readily exchanged foreign currency.

    The worlds most popular reserve currency is usually the USD as the America is seen as the most economically stable country in the world.


    So, same question to you.
    Which countries, in your opinion, are being forced to trade in the US Dollar?

    No one is being forced to hold reserves in USD. There are as many reserve currencies to choose from, as there are currencies.
     
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    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You forgot oil, just like most cargo, has to be traded in this reserve currency too, which just happens to be the USD.



     
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    Inocrrect,
    Oil, by convention is priced in Dollars.

    "priced".

    It may be paid for in any currency. Or even barter goods!

    So here in the UK we buy Saudi oil from Saudi and pay for it in £.
    In Saudi, Saudi oil is bought and sold in Riyal.
    In the UK. UK oil is bought and sold in £.

    The global market price is typically given in USD. So if you look it up on the internet, that is the currency the price is measured in.


    The convention of giving the global oil price in $ stems from the US's historical position as the worlds largest oil supplier.
     
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    I get it. the liberal said there were "endless wars of economic colonization" then when I asked the silly liberal for an example he said there were none!!! See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance.
     
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    why would they be forced to trade in dollars if they want to trade in dollars because the dollar is the safest most liquid currency on earth. Does the liberal have any idea??

    Also, the liberal says there used to be endless wars of colonization. What is the best example of this? Does the liberal have any idea at all?
     
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    actually a colony is a foreign entity so America cant colonize its own country. Sorry
     
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    we have been watching for 10 million years of steady growth. Only meglomanical liberalism would proclaim that it will all end today!!
     
  25. bringiton

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    No, that is objectively false. I specifically stated the difference: owning a slave removes all of that person's rights to liberty, owning land removes that part of all people's rights to liberty.
    It's not a question of belief. It's a matter of indisputable objective fact that every person of normal intelligence over the age of six knows to be true.
    Right. But that does not mean they are the same, any more than raping men is the same as raping women just because neither is more rightful than the other.
     

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