The Deep History Of US, Britain's Never-Ending Cold War On Russia

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  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Poor old Russia, still sore that they had to be rescued from the Nazi's by Britain and America.
     
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    Much of what this guy said can be independently verified in well researched books, by americans, which of course you will never read. The article he posted and linked to, that information, much of it, although not the complicit nature of us not going after death camp infrastructure was already known. George Herbert Walker had set up a bank during the rise of hitler and the Nazis over there to help finance Germany taking on the USSR, because our elite rich capitalists saw the socialism of Russia as a direct threat to capitalism. And of course capitalism is what created the rich elites to begin with, not socialism. All of this is public knowledge now, though never really discussed or talked about, for obvious reasons.

    The bad blood between the US, the Brits and the USSR is institutionalized, within our own gov't and especially the CIA, even after the fall of the USSR and the end of the communist revolution, which was a threat to capitalism. This explains much in regards to why after the USSR went away, communism died in Russia, and the reason for Russia to be an enemy was no more, why relations have never been good with Russia, even when there was no reason for it. Our capitalists flooded into Russia, there were joint business done, by hundreds of businessmen, which is now seen as evidence for collusion with the trump campaign. If you think some of our rich special interests do not want to keep Russia a great and evil enemy, because it is worth trillions to them over time, then you just do not understand the way reality works. But it is probably above your pay grade, at least given you really are not well informed on the inner workings. Which is your own fault, for the info is out there, but it is outside of the mainstream, again for obvious reasons. I don't think you understand just how powerful this thing called wealth is, and to what depths some of our elites will sink to, in order to get the cash flowing in their direction. Truth is, there is so much evil involved when it comes to this subject, or the elites and how they make their wealth. And the less you know, is all the better. Not that you and others actually want to know, IMO. For it is a paradigm changing enlightenment. And some, perhaps like you, cannot accept it. Human nature I guess, which helps to keep all of this hidden. As I keep saying, the reality most people think exists, doesn't. And it probably never has.
     
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    And you are also denying that Saddam Gassed the Kurds? :rolleyes:
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL. Such mindless rubbish. But yeah, I love to laugh too. I like comedians.
     
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    Yes, he used gas on the Kurds. The US does not always lie, just much of the time, if they are wanting to break international law. A lie took us into Iraq, and we didn't invade because Saddam gassed the Kurds. That some believe the plethora of lies is the problem. For it enables the evil forces in our gov't to continue on in their quest for MO MONEY. From taxpayers and borrowing. You know, the forces Ike warned us about, and Gen. Butler busted out?
     
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    Double standards? Or hypocrisy?
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    In this war of Russian, 27 million people died. If every deceased is honored with a minute of silence, you will be silent for 50 years....Are you still funny?
     
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    All Russian. Not only the soldiers of the Red Army. By the way, the soldiers of the Red Army were a minority. Maybe because the Bolsheviks were not prisoners. They preferred death in battle. ...Most civilians were killed.
     
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    Are you talking about that gas attack against the Kurds, when the components and chemicals for this attack were delivered for Saddam Hussein from the US, Germany and Britain?.. I understand you correctly?
     
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    It helps if your post doesn't contain lies. Russia admitted to committing the massacre at Katyn as long ago as 1990. You were obviously not paying attention: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/26/russian-parliament-guilt-katyn-massacre
     
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    Europe might be a very different place today had we not assisted the USSR. You should quit the sarcasm and be grateful that we did.
     
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    Russia has never recognized this. If you talk about a few idiots in power in the 90s, they do not reflect the opinion of the whole country. In addition, the ECHR denied the Poles a lawsuit against Russia in the Katyn case.
    In addition, those who cried about it, now basically fled to the west and are wanted by the Russians and the interpol. Like thieves. It is obvious that all their politicians' statements were made on corruption grounds....
     
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    I provided you with a link. Gorbachev, in 1990, admitted to Russian (NKVD) culpability for the Katyn massacre. You should quit lying right about now. Read: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ent-admits-Stalin-ordered-Katyn-massacre.html
    It is only the Communist party who worship Stalin and who dispute this.
     
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    You blame Western bankers for the Bolshevik slaughter of the Romanovs?
     
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    When Poland will repent for it?!

     
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    Give me a link to your quote please.
     
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    I don't use one source to understand something. If you have brains then you can find an information yourself. Hint - this is the war Poland and the USSR February 1919 – March 1921
     
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    Give me your source so I can check for myself that it isn't Communist propaganda.
     
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    I'm up for doing it again too.

    But they'll still be sore about it. Being a charity case doesn't play well on the old self image.
    Especially from people you've convinced yourself to despise.

    Those same actions they despise us for, arming those who fight our enemies, harbouring their dissidents,... saved them.
    Saved their lives. They are here today in part because we are who we are.
    And Stalin the great evil bla bla bla. I am alive here today, in part because they are they way they are.

    None of which changes that they are still sore at us for undermining their self belief.
    Ever heard a Russian say "thank you" or "we appreciated it. It was really kind and helpful of you".
    "We appreciated your generosity and alliance with our cause".

    You never will.

    All you will ever here is this, the same as was heard then... "you are shafting us".
    Which of course is preferable to the Chinese for whom we always raping their wives and murdering their children. Or so they tell it diplomatically.
     
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    If you can't find the information by yourself then there is no point talking to you.
     
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    You're obviously dodging. The onus is on you to provide your source, which I notice you are most reluctant to do. Why is that?
     
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    Just look it up mate.
    It's as easy for you as it is him.
    There is no onus on anyone to prove anything to you.
     
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    Although Gorbachev is a lying bastard, even he did not say such a thing. What Western media write is a perversion of his words.
    All your links do not have documentary evidence. I will show you how to present evidence correctly. For example, as the Poles, with the help of German Nazis, committed acts of terrorism against military and civilians in Belarus.
    On June 29, 1944, a top secret report was sent to Stalin on the actions taken by the Germans and Poles in the occupied territories of Belarus.
    Also, according to Soviet intelligence, there were numerous Polish formations in Belarus, whose activities were coordinated from Vilna. The report lists several armed Polish groups, their numbers and areas where they operated.

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    "In the Ivanets district of the Baranovichi region, the Polish group of Nurkevich with a strength of up to 800 people actively acts against the partisans. The group has several hundred mobilized unarmed reserves. The bandits receive weapons and equipment from the Germans, "the secret report states.
    Also, as they say in the message, in Poland and the western regions of Belarus there is a nationalistic Polish organization "Polish organization of the army"

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    That's how the evidence shows. But for you have enough of what is written in the Western media. :roflol:

    To your regret, the court of the ECHR also needed proofs, but not words. And there is no evidence of these.
     
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    Yes.
    I don't know about Britain and Germany, but the US certainly armed Saddam -
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    And I don't care about a court ruling - I read the evidence about the Katyn Massacre of the Poles - the Soviets did it under Stalin.
     
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    Ehm ... when Saddam did this gas attack on the Kurds, the USA kept in silence and was the one did not much criticize Saddam for it. But in 1991 this was suddenly a bad crime... hypocrisy!

    And yes Katyn Massace is still confirmed by Russian government that done by NKWD (predecessor of KGB) but of course disputed by many in Russia who still tell it was done by the Germans ... no miss-understanding, Germans did of course much more worse evil crimes too, but not all was done by them.
    On the other hand, how many dumbasses still refute and deny that Holocaust happened?
     

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