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The Defense Rests: GOP Leaders Reportedly Considering Not Calling a Single Witness

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  1. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    Why would we take that liar seriously?
     
    Paul7, Dec 12, 2019
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    Trump doesn't need to be exhorted. ALL of the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove he is guilty.
     
    Robert E Allen, Dec 12, 2019
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    Trump said point blank get in touch with Mr Barr or Rudy, if they would've "looked into it" that's who their side was suppose to get with not on the Trump Bat phone.
     
    hawgsalot, Dec 12, 2019
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    There was no question that Clinton committed perjury and suborned perjury. From Wikipedia:

    "Article I charged that Clinton lied to the grand jury concerning:[27]

    1. the nature and details of his relationship with Lewinsky
    2. prior false statements he made in the Jones deposition
    3. prior false statements he allowed his lawyer to make characterizing Lewinsky's affidavit
    4. his attempts to tamper with witnesses
    Article II charged Clinton with attempting to obstruct justice in the Jones case by:[28]
    1. encouraging Lewinsky to file a false affidavit
    2. encouraging Lewinsky to give false testimony if and when she was called to testify
    3. concealing gifts he had given to Lewinsky that had been subpoenaed
    4. attempting to secure a job for Lewinsky to influence her testimony
    5. permitting his lawyer to make false statements characterizing Lewinsky's affidavit
    6. attempting to tamper with the possible testimony of his secretary Betty Currie
    7. making false and misleading statements to potential grand jury witnesses"

    Note Sen. Biden voted not guilty on both Articles of Impeachment.
     
    Paul7, Dec 12, 2019
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  5. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    The coming Senate acquittal will legally amount to an exoneration.
     
    Paul7, Dec 12, 2019
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  6. MrTLegal

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    Trump said point blank that he would ask Barr to make a call. Barr said point blank that he never dealt with or had any discussions about Ukraine.
     
    MrTLegal, Dec 12, 2019
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    No, we need to know Trump's intentions.
    Was he seeking vindication for 2016. Or dirt for 2020.
    That is what determines if he was attempting to receive anything of value or whether he was investigating corruption.
     
    Robert E Allen, Dec 12, 2019
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  8. Egoboy

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    Why would we care if you don't?
     
    Egoboy, Dec 12, 2019
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    We don't know that at all.. all of this points to investigating 16 and nothing to do with 20.
     
    Robert E Allen, Dec 12, 2019
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    No, I didn't.

    I said that if the executive asked for a ruling on the Constitutionality of the CHARGES, which is sort of one of the main reasons they exist.

    Chief Justice is just the head of SCOTUS who presides over impeachment, he's just there as window dressing I guess. Who could think that might mean the head justice of the head court in the land might have some input there.

    What would that role be then?

    I didn't suggest they "ruled on the very constitutionality of an impeachment", that's another strawman you created. That's two so far.
     
    vman12, Dec 12, 2019
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  11. MrTLegal

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    Trump provided funds to Ukraine in 2017, 2018, and 2019. It is only in 2019 that he held up aid. That decision took place immediately after Biden announced his candidacy and at the same time that Trump's own internal polling showed Trump losing massively to Biden.
    Also, I would note that his request to investigate 2016 is also an effort to help him in 2020 because any support for his conspiracy theories that Russia did not meddle or that other countries meddled to help his opponents is solely an effort to help his re-election campaign.

    But I agree that we should get more information from the individuals most likely to have had conversations with Trump and most likely to reveal that intent. Individuals like Mulvaney, Giuliani, Bolton, Pompeo, and Perry.
     
    MrTLegal, Dec 12, 2019
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    What else happened in 2019 T, let's see if your keeping up.
     
    hawgsalot, Dec 12, 2019
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    Then it would have helped if he had mentioned Joe Biden on his FIRST call with Zelensky on 4/21, 4 days before Biden formally announced...

    Not much, but it would have been something...

    Timeline's are a bitch...
     
    Egoboy, Dec 12, 2019
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    Greta Thunberg beat Trump for Person of the Year....

    Nationals won the World Series

    Trump was impeached

    Big year...
     
    Egoboy, Dec 12, 2019
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    Oh I am aware of the talking point: The election of Zelensky, right?

    The guy who ran explicitly on anti-corruption? The administration who was still reviewed and re-reviewed for efforts to address anti-corruption by every agency? The administration with whom Trump allegedly, according to the White House notes of the call, spoke about corruption and then was revealed to have never mentioned even the word corruption in either the first phone call or the second?
     
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    He was not charged by Police with any crime. He was politically impeached just like Trump apparently will be. The Senate 'acquitted' Clinton despite overwhelming proof of 'guilt,' and that is just so wrong, just as it will be so wrong if history repeats with Trump.
     
    Bush Lawyer, Dec 12, 2019
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    And an total change of majority and ruling parliament. You can brush it off because your a lefty but most intelligent people would say we need to feel the new government out before paying them that kind of cash. I have a question though, if congress was so worried about the 55 day hold on the money then why did they set the deadline at 75 days? Things that make you go hmmmmm
     
    hawgsalot, Dec 12, 2019
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    The new president whom EVERY member of his inauguration party said was worth supporting?

    Until Rudy disagreed.....
     
    Egoboy, Dec 12, 2019
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    Ofcourse you know little. He plea bargained his Felony perjury charge down at the end of his presidency. Don't y'all have fires or something to tend too?
     
    hawgsalot, Dec 12, 2019
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    So we'll ask you if the 55 days is so bad then why did Congress set the deadline to send at 75 days? Yes your Dem house set the f'ing deadline.
     
    hawgsalot, Dec 12, 2019
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    And schiff, the whistle blower, and Trump


    Circumstantial evidence in my opinion is not enough to remove a president.

    I think Trump is egotistical enough to want to get to the bottom of 2016 not concerned enough about winning in 2020
     
    Robert E Allen, Dec 12, 2019
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    The Senate, of an opposing party no less, didn't think his offenses were worth removal from office, as will happen shortly.
     
    Paul7, Dec 12, 2019
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    2020, Trump re-elected.

    Greta who?
     
    Paul7, Dec 12, 2019
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    What if Trump did not have Giuliani in Ukraine pushing for an announcement of investigation against Trump's domestic political opponents? What if Sondland did not tell the Ukrainian diplomats that they should announce the investigation against Trump's domestic political opponents? What if Trump himself did not directly address an investigation by Ukraine against his domestic political opponent? What if Trump did not dismiss the Ukrainian Diplomat after two Giuliani associates lobbied money illegally into a Trump super PAC while lobbying for her dismissal?

    If those had not happened, would Trump still be facing impeachment for abuse of power?

    Other things that make you go hmmm....
     
    MrTLegal, Dec 12, 2019
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    You really think an Ohio voter enjoying the great economy cares about your tortured hairsplitting?
     
    Paul7, Dec 12, 2019
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