The divider-in-chief

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  1. kriman

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    Let them pay up or go it alone. It would be cheaper for us to go it alone than to pay their bills. We can pay our own troops and keep them in the US.
     
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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    Everyone knows the U.S. is the lone superpower. Obama, like Presidents before him, did not flaunt that fact, and he showed respect for other leaders.

    Trump flaunts U.S. power and insults other leaders. You think that is a great idea.

    More and more the U.S. is becoming isolated, and people like you and Trump are the reason. MAGA.
     
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    "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said during a joint news conference after he spent about two hours in a room alone with Putin, save for a pair of interpreters.

    “They think it’s Russia,” Trump said. “I have President Putin — he just said it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

    A Trump fan said this:

    :banana::roflol:o_O
     
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    Please think about the consequences if Europe fell to unfriendly forces. We don't support Europe for their security. We support Europe for our security.

    Our European allies have fought alongside us in the Korean War, Vietnam War, Iraq Wars (twice), and currently in Afghanistan. These are not European engagements but they fought alongside our troops nonetheless.

    "Let them pay up or go it alone." You sound exactly like Trump. That is not a compliment! Trump is uninformed and inexperienced.
     
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    Still another thread where Trump fans have simply given up. Trump is making such a mess of things, it is getting harder and harder to defend him.

    Most of his fans don't even try. They attack the poster instead.
     
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    I swear, Trump is bipolar. He has two different personalities as illustrated by his tweets concerning the fires in CA.

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump


    There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

    124K
    12:08 AM - Nov 10, 2018

    He apparently does not know the federal government is responsible for most forests in CA along with the national parks. Then he realized that his sociopathic traits were showing and he quickly changed his tune.

    Donald J. Trump
    (@realDonaldTrump)

    The California Fire Fighters, FEMA and First Responders are amazing and very brave. Thank you and God Bless you all!

    Donald J. Trump
    (@realDonaldTrump)

    I just approved an expedited request for a Major Disaster Declaration for the State of California. Wanted to respond quickly in order to alleviate some of the incredible suffering going on. I am with you all the way. God Bless all of the victims and families affected.

    Believe it or not, the same man wrote all three tweets.

    This is in addition to the fact that Trump appointed Matthew Whitaker as acting A.G. on Wednesday. On Friday, Trump said he didn't know the man. In October he told "Fox and Friends" he knew Whitaker well.

    It's obvious Trump has a mental problem. Part of it is, he lies so much he no longer can tell reality from fantasy.
     
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    Acosta picked a fight with Trump, not vice versa.
     
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    1. Yesterday he picked a fight with nearly the entire White House press corps. He threw out CNN's Jim Acosta for trying to ask a question, and threatened others for asking questions he didn't like.
    Did the OP watch the press conference at all? Fake news hack Jim Acosta hogged the microphone and then tried to push away the intern who reached out to take the microphone for another reporter. It's good to see him gone. Meanwhile, for what specific questions did President Trump threaten others? I'm not interested in some idiot asking Trump how often he beats his kids. And I don't blame anyone from the administration for getting sick of these overpaid hacks. Why do you love Macron and hate Trump? Are you French?

    2. Trump picked a fight with French President Emmanuel Macron over European defense just as Air Force One landed in France today.
    "President Macron of France has just suggested that Europe build its own military in order to protect itself from the U.S., China and Russia. Very insulting, but perhaps Europe should first pay its fair share of NATO, which the U.S. subsidizes greatly," Trump tweeted minutes after landing in France.

    Let's see if I have this straight - Macron won't pay Frances fair share to NATO while the US foots most of the NATO bill; then Macron says that the EU needs to start it's own army to protect the EU from the US - I see that Macron won't say who will pay for such an Army. Trump responds in kind, and added in the truth that the French would be speaking German if the USA hadn't saved their country and culture.
    You go on to say "Macron has suggested that since the start of Trump's presidency, the US has been seen as a less reliable ally. Trump just proved it with his divisive tweet. He should have dealt with Macron one on one and kept his Twitter shut." You again stick up for Macron while criticizing President Trump. I ask again - Why do you love Macron and hate Trump? Are you French?

    3. You say, because of President Trump, "We now have a divided government. We now have a divided populace." You ignore the non-stop offensive attacks from Democrat politicians and fake news hacks and their sycophant brown shirted antifa and BLM. As a matter of fact, you instigate your own mindless attacks on President Trump based on the same kind of non-existent "evidence" Diane Fienstien used against SCOTUS Kavanaugh. You refuse to take any responsibilioty for being one of those who have divided the government and divided the populace with nothing more than allegations and accusations and a lot of negative spin against the President.

    4. You go on to say "And clearly there is a chasm between ourselves and our European allies." Do you mean all of our European allies? Or some of our European allies? What about Poland, Hungary, Italy and the anti-immigrant nations - do you lump them in with France and Germany?

    5. You end your diatribe with the statement "Who is responsible for this widespread divisiveness? Clearly, it is Donald J. Trump. Everywhere he goes he needs to insult somebody. It is his nature." You couldn't be more wrong! The EU has been screwing the US for decades with high tariffs and non-payment of their share of NATO costs. Trump tried to end the trade and NATO gouging as peacefully as possible and got nothing but derision and resistance in return.

    I strongly suggest you remember one over riding factor in Trumps agenda: He is the President of the United States of America! He is not the President of the EU or South America or the world. He is doing the job the people elected him to do - Make America Great Again.

    Here's a question for you, if Macron is so well liked, why have 40 percent of the French population said they have a favorable opinion of Macron, a drop of 3 percentage points from last month and 12 percentage points from December, while 57 percent said they hold a negative opinion of the president.
     
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    It's obvious that you ignore all of the facts in your ongoing attacks againt the President.

    You neglect to mention that California Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed a bipartisan wildfire management bill in 2016, despite unanimous passage by the Legislature, 75-0 in the Assembly and 39-0 in the Senate. SB 1463 would have given local governments more say in fire-prevention efforts through the Public Utilities Commission proceeding making maps of fire hazard areas around utility lines. In a gross display of politics, this is especially pertinent given that Cal Fire and the state’s media are now blaming the largest utility in the state for the latest wildfires.

    You neglect to mention that California Gov. Jerry Brown Brown signed legislation subjecting every man, woman and child to 50 gallons of water a day in the near future and restricting the free flow of water throughout the southern part of the state… despite the state’s 189,454 miles of rivers, and that large body of water California sits on.

    You neglect to mention that last year, as California residents were burned out of their towns, homes, neighborhoods, schools, hospitals and businesses, Gov. Jerry Brown was jetting around the world spouting climate change propaganda, and calling the fires California’s “new normal.” Gov. Brown had many chances to sincerely and realistically address California’s increasing wildfires since his election in 2011, but instead chose to do nothing.

    The Congress is guilty of underfunding forestry initiatives, but where were Dianne Fienstien and Kamala Harris when the budget battle was fought in the senate? Where were Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff when the battle was fought in the house?

    All of you people ignore the fact that there has been very little done by anyone in California to prevent the ongoing scourge of forest fires - remember that old saying, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

    Trump is right in his tweet - why should the rest of the country be held responsible for paying for the mismanagement of their states resources by Jerry Brown and the California Legislature.

    Trump would never say this - but I will - Did Jerry Brown set this failure up to support his extreme "Climate Change" ideology?
     
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    I agree. I have not said anything different.
     
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    Trump is abusive to reporters. At the very least he interrupts them in mid-question because he doesn't want to hear the question. He has lost the respect of the White House press corps. In 21 months he has held only three solo press conferences, and all three have been disasters.

    The answer to the problem is that Presidents should respect reporters. That is what previous Presidents have done because a war with the press is not something they need. However, Trump insults reporters every chance he gets, and acts like a complete jerk. Because of that, he is not respected by reporters. Trump deserves whatever happens to him when confronting reporters.

    Because Macron was right and Trump was wrong. Trump is isolating America and touting nationalism, the major cause of two world wars during the 20th Century. Nationalism is a part of yesterday's world.

    But you like Trump for his nationalism. Never mind that for the first time in over 1,000 years there has not been a war involving European nations for 73 years because the world has rejected nationalism. You and Trump want to turn back the clock to the brutal 20th Century.

    In nearly 21 months there has been only one major piece of legislation and that added one trillion dollars to the National Debt. Everything else -- infrastructure, immigration, health care -- has gone wanting. Who is in charge of our government? Trump.

    "The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly," Donald J. Trump. That view that attacks the First Amendment is bound to cause divisiveness.

    Neither he nor his fans nor the White House ever provide evidence of fraudulent reporting.

    Yes.
     
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    Obama sends white house aides to the funeral of a guy who tried to kill a cop with his own gun...and the alt left says trump is the divisive one...

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes. It would be disastrous for the Europeans. Less disastrous for us. They need to pay their part.
     
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    And this has relevance to my post how?
     
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    Macron suggested that since the start of Trump's Presidency, the US has been seen as a less reliable ally. Trump just proved it with his divisive visit to France and the fear he might melt if he gets rained on.

    We now have a divided government. We now have a divided populace.

    And clearly there is a chasm between ourselves and our European allies.

    Who is responsible for this widespread divisiveness? Clearly, it is Donald J. Trump. Everywhere he goes he needs to insult somebody. It is his nature.
     
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    There is an easy solution for Europe. Pay up.
     
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    Please explain to me how US security is tied to European security.
     
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    Please explain the consequences.
     
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    Sure, U.S. forces were nearly defeated in the early months of the Korean War. With the help of European forces we eventually beat back North Korean and Chinese armies.

    Because of the communist threat European forces fought alongside our forces in Vietnam.

    In 1991, it was in both our interests to defeat Iraq forces that had taken over Kuwait. Once again, European troops fought alongside our troops.

    Because our President decided Iraq was building a nuke, was tied to Al Qaeda, and had something to do with 9/11, once again European forces joined ours in the long, brutal Iraq war.

    Please note, none of these wars were fought in Europe. European forces joined ours because of a perceived threat to the U.S.

    Now our President who is bent on nationalism (MAGA) is isolating America and is going out of his way to piss off European leaders. They feel the U.S. is no longer a reliable ally while Trump is President. Distancing ourselves from our powerful allies in Europe constitutes a serious national security threat. Given Trump's nationalistic views and harsh tariff policies, why should Europe come to our aid again?
     
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    And why were we fighting in Korea. No security issues for the US, as far as I can see. Seems to me we would be better off today if the US ignored the situation in Korea. NK would't bother threatening us.

    And we lost that war without any degradation of US security.

    What was the US interest? I suspect it was more the Saudi interest.

    And an utter fiasco!

    What perceived threat? Can you be specific?

    What national security threat? Please be specific. Perhaps we will be less tempted to engage in foreign adventures without European allies we can bully in coming to our aid.

    In any case those European leaders are being rejected by their own people. The world is changing and not in the direction the liberals want. Trump is ahead of the new direction as far as I can see.
     
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    Your questions are foolish. It is quite immaterial what you think of these wars, and much of your thinking is faulty. I don't have to time to explain the justification, or lack thereof, of four wars. The point I made is that our Commander-in-Chief decided those wars were in our national security or political interest and European forces helped. Regardless of what you think of the wars, that aspect of the situation is historically accurate.

    You said, "Please explain to me how US security is tied to European security." I explained. Now do you understand the importance of our European allies? Now do you understand Trump is fool to endanger that alliance?
     
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    That foolish post didn't address my comments. Giving up ... again?
     
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    I don't care whether I addressed your comments or not. They need to pay up.
     
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    You make some valid points; but only some.
     

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