The Earth is Flat

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At this point in human history, anyone questioning the spherical nature of large objects with gravity can be used as a litmus test for purposeful ignorance.
     
  2. Maccabee

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    The USA in that pic is huge. Just pointing that out.
     
  3. jrr777

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    Again I'm not saying the earth is flat or round. I'm looking for evidence on either side. There is no evidence of satellites in space, all images of space are CGI (computer graphic image), nasa admits this. Cell phones and internet are all land based. Cell towers, fiber optics, and dsl are all in the ground or in the air (telephone poles). If they had satellites in space, I would not be looking for evidence, but they don't. I would imagine the earth is round and rotates. However everyday activity and observations suggest otherwise. And it is everything else moving around us. Sort of like a snow globe you buy your girlfriend, only the glass is what rotates. A dome that cannot yet be surpassed. Which is why there is no pictures of earth from space. If the gravity of the earth can hold all that water to the surface, how can I jump off the surface? If I can overcome the gravity that holds back all that water, I should be able to lift all that water. However just two 5 gallon buckets of water is rather heavy. Simple observations like this, is what I'm talking about.

    When observing other planets and the moon, I would think the earth would be of similar shape. However all pictures of other planets, are again CGI. If the earth is a different shape, I would suggest a creator is most definitely involved. And so would scientists. This is the main reason why I am looking for answers. Again, the current theory is most likely the case, however it cannot be proved. And just as before when everyone thought the earth was flat, this area is once again up for grabs. Without being taught from a very young age, and without globe earth images everywhere, everyday scenarios would suggest a flat earth. If you actually look into this, with a mind of anything is possible, you will be amazed at the lack of evidence, and without that evidence we are told it is the truth.
     
  4. jrr777

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    Really, put that picture into the photo forensics. It is a CGI. Computer Graphic Image. Nasa will even admit this. If you don't believe that, look at the other photos where you have found this one, compare them, you will see the land masses are different, the clouds are the same (most of them), and with the land masses being different, the earth the same size. It is very obvious how fake it is. Oh yeah, where are all the satellites, and stars?
     
  5. jrr777

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    Hey I very well could be ignorant. If it is the gravity alone that holds the water to the surface, how then can I jump off the surface? If I can overcome what is holding the water down, shouldn't I be able to lift all that water? Again, there is probably an explanation, but as you said before, I am ignorant. And like I said before, that very well could be.
     
  6. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah I know, I just basically google searched "Earth" and grabbed the first picture that came up.

    But either way we have actual pictures of the damn thing. How can anybody still be wondering if the Earth is flat or not in the year 2016....
     
  7. HonestJoe

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    You've not presented any alternative "side" yet. The correct method for disproving a theory is to present an alternative hypothesis and prove that, not a scatter-gun dismissal of random facts.

    Rubbish. There's loads of evidence for satellites. I know people who have worked on them. Not all images from space are CGI and you'd need to provide proof if you're going to accuse NASA of stating that. Lots of communications are ground based but some aren't, notably satellite phones and satellite television (the clue is in the name).

    You don't know what you're talking about. You clearly don't have the basic scientific knowledge to understand the relative principles. Nothing wrong with that, everyone has their areas of expertise, this just isn't yours.

    Now, yet again, answer the question of the day/night pattern (or admit that you can't).
     
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    1) Standard radio communications has a limited range because the curvature of the Earth blocks the signal, unless the signal is either bounced off the ionosphere or satellites.
    2) Longitude lines converge at the poles and get wider at the equator.
    3) Humans have pretty much explored the entire surface of the planet and we've never found an edge.
    5) Time zones exist.
    4) Any scientific theory that requires a conspiracy for it to work, it not much of a theory.
     
  9. perdidochas

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    I've seen the curvature of the earth from an airplane at 30,000 feet. The earth is not round, it's roundish (it's a little off being perfectly round). The thing is, people have flown around the world. No way a flat world would allow that. Science cannot prove anything. Anybody who claims it can doesnt' understand the scientific process.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    There are many technical developments that are dependent on the earth being roughly a sphere. Anything related to satellite technology (like GPS and Satphones) for example. ValidationBoy, are you back?
     
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    I've seen satellites pass over. It's not hard to do.

    Have you never been on an airplane at 30,000 feet? It's obvious from that height that earth is a sphere.
     
  12. Nightmare515

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    Yeah some pics of the Earth are CGI, some are not. Some pics of other planets and celestial bodies are CGI, some are not. No NASA doesn't admit that all of their pictures are PURE CGI, they admit that the beautiful pictures you see of galaxies and nebulae and stuff are doctored up but for a good reason.

    So when people ask NASA if they pictures the show are real or fake the answer is "yes". The human eye can't see X-Rays, UV Rays, infrared, etc. But telescopes can. So if you were to turn into magic and teleport yourself to some of these galaxies or nebula in real life then no they wouldn't "look" like that to YOU because you only have human eyeballs. That doesn't mean they don't "look" like that. Telescopes like Hubble take black and white pictures. So what Astronomers do is take a picture of something through multiple color filters then assign a color to it corresponding to the filter they used to try to make the picture look as close as it would to an actual color picture if you were standing there looking at it with your eyeballs. When it comes to infrared, UV, X-Ray, etc they just assign a random color to it because you can't "see" those. Then they stack the pictures together and they assign a color to the part of the picture that "you" can't see with your human eyeballs using photoshop.

    So the result is instead of a bland black and white picture you get a beautiful multicolored picture of a galaxy that technically does "look" like that but you just don't have the right type of eyeballs to "see" it properly.

    As far as satellites are concerned do you have any idea how big a satellite actually is? They aren't very big they are like the size of a car, some are about the size of a bus. In order to see enough of the Earth to see it as a ball floating in space you have to be something like 3000km away. So you are essentially trying to look at a school bus in New York City while standing in San Antonio Texas....
     
  13. Herkdriver

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    Perception is 9/10ths of reality.

    We are all hurling through space in orbit around our Sun at 67,000 mph and simultaneusly rotating on a tilted North - South axis at 1,000 mph at the Equator.

    Yet we perceive no real sense of motion.

    Similarly the Earth is perceived as flat, most of the time, to it's inhabitants. Even from an airplane, you've got to get really high up in altitude to see the curvature of the Earth. Even at FL 450, it still looks quite flat.
     
  14. Maccabee

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    Though if you shrank the earth the size of a cue ball the earth would be rounder and smoother than the cue ball.

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    I see a couple.
     
  15. Maccabee

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    You got me. Personally I think it spawned out of a group to fool everybody. This "movement" has been used to bash Christians.
     
  16. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I assume you are joking.....otherwise I must absolutely agree with your assessment of ignorance.
     
  17. Nightmare515

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    Here's the issue....

    Outside of the obvious pictures that we have of the Earth from space, the fact that the Moon is round and we can see it by simply looking at the sky so it can't possibly be some CGI conspiracy picture from NASA, it becomes a bit difficult to explain to somebody WHY the Earth is flat using pure laments terms.

    Astronomy is complicated like that and there comes a point to where you have to just take peoples word for it who are more educated on the subject.

    Take the Big Bang for example. To this day it's still hard for people to explain to the average joe how the Big Bang happened "everywhere" at once which is why there is no "starting point" or "center of the universe". The best analogy people can give is the raisins in the loaf of baking bread thing. But that doesn't really help most people understand. The only way to really explain it to people is for them to understand basically a brand new language called Physics. If you don't understand Physics then there is only so much somebody can teach you about Astronomy.

    So OP, yes the Earth is round, no it's not flat. That is a fact. Yes people can explain to you why and how the Earth is a sphere. I can explain to you how and why the Earth is a sphere in great detail using mathematical equations regarding gravity and things like that. Equations that will look like gibberish to you unless you understand Physics.

    So basically what I'm saying is that in order for somebody to PROVE to you that the Earth is not flat you are going to have to understand the language of some pretty advanced mathematics and physics. So if you want to really truly receive proof that the Earth is a sphere then take a few classes in Physics, Calculus, and Trigonometry so that people can explain it to you using mathematical equations.

    If you aren't willing to do that then simply take my word for it. The Earth is round. I know that because 1 I have eyes and can see pictures of the thing, and 2 because I understand the proof in the math that tells me that. Only number 2 can PROVE to you that the Earth isn't flat, but unless you understand what I'm talking about when I start writing out math equations then it won't really be proof to you anyway.
     
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    Would you consider 533 witnesses enough proof?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_name
     
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    If your going to claim there are pictures that are not CGI, then please provide those pictures. You cannot, because there are none.
     
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    Satellites have nothing to do with GPS.
     
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    Correct, science proves nothing. Neil deGrasse Tyson, says the earth is a pear shape. And before that he said it was not perfectly round but bulging near the equator. However all official pictures from nasa of earth, show a perfect sphere.
    Providing answers for the earth's shape, that is in conflict with the pictures. Anyone with a mind will (should) at least question them.
     
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    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...sa-astronaut-space-year-pictures-photography/

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    Only because "oblate spheroid" is to hard of a concept for some minds to grasp.
     
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    International Space Station on UStream.
    Looking for high definition views of Earth from the Space Station?
    Live video from the International Space Station includes internal views when the crew is on-duty and Earth views at other times.
    https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html
     
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    I need to provide proof. Why is it that I need to, when nasa never did? If you can find any picture that is not a CGI, than by all means where is it? I am not saying the earth is not round. I am saying there is no proof of it's shape. A logical mind would assume it's round. But there is no proof. And if the sun is 93 million miles away, how then do you get this? http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...7e2b82642e04f001aff84b050a2fe65ao0&ajaxhist=0

    93 million miles away should provide an evenly distributed hot spot across the entire surface. Not a central focal point.
     
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    Google search "Raw NASA photos" and you'll find thousands of pictures that NASA takes and publishes. You can also find the before and after pictures of deep space objects which shoes you what NASA does to make the pictures look like they do for the reasons mentioned.

    http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/?start=1

    Those are raw pictures.

    But it doesn't really matter, you'll simply dismiss each and every picture anybody shows you as fake or try to use some wild outrageous claim like "you can't prove they aren't fake".

    If you ask for evidence then subsequently dismiss any evidence shown to you then there is no point in a discussion.
     

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