The Electoral College Is the Greatest Threat to Our Democracy

If mainly liberal Americans CHOOSE to dilute their electoral strength by moving to crowded urban centers then that is their decision. I've heard nothing for years about how great those places are for their "diversity" and "cultural opportunities".

Fine. If that's what's important to you more power to you.

But don't expect the rest of us to overturn a centuries old political system so your votes are not devalued just because you want to enjoy having neighbors from France and access to Thai restaurants.

 

Oh Lord, another liberal meltdown coming.

 

I still remember people posting here two years ago where they suggested that Donald Trump would be

1) impeached his first day in office.
2) wouldn't last a month in office
3) wouldn't last six months in office.
4) Would be out of office and in prison inside of a year.

I'll bet right now that if President Trump wins reelection and lives through his second term, leaving office January 20th, 2025, that from that point forward every six months we'll get PoliticalForum.com threads titled "The End for Donald Trump is fast approaching".

 

No.

Just a delusional Franco Euro.
Remember the French knew of the American Revolution experience
but decided on a more , French Revolution. Rejecting the history of the American experience.
Similar to Black Nationalist ala Ron Karanga
UCLA Faculty, Black Studies
rejecting the White Middle Class experience for a more, Black Representation.
Look how well that worked out.
He helped invent Kwanzaa too.

The French just do not "get it".
Over ideological or enamored by a strong man. (Napoleon, De Gaulle)
psst, @LafayetteBis

 

France, head of government: Emmanuel Macron
How did he attain his office?
Finland, head of government: Sauli Niinistö
How did he attain his office?

Can you name one western democracy where the head of government is elected by the people?

 

And the Americans aren't like that?
*Who was made PREZ after he won the war the Europe? (Eisenhower)
*Who was made Prez because of his military service (and so started another war over in the middle-east sandbox)? Bush the Father.
*Which son of the father continued the war in the middle-east? (Bush-head the Son)
*Who was made Prez because he was a real-estate millionaire and had silly TV-game that everybody watched on TV. (Donald Dork)

Come off your high-horse, Madame-je-sais-tout

 

Mindless blah-blah-blah and unfit for a debate forum.

Moving right along ....

 

Never had a course in Civics, have you. Never ever been told that the Electoral College MANIPULATES THE POPULAR VOTE?

The Electoral College is a winner-take-all accounting. Meaning that a popular-vote goes into the Electoral College at one value and comes out in another. Howzat?

Yes, because the EC WARPS the popular-vote by giving the TOTALITY OF THE EC VOTES to whoever is the winner of the popular-vote.

A vote anywhere on earth is fair only when counted fully and announced to the public its total count - not by passing through a process that changes its basic value.

The popular-vote is not manipulated in such a fashion by a True Democracy or True Republic anywhere else on earth ... !

 

Yes, silly me expects just that. And with any luck the silly Supreme Court is going to throw out gerrymandering.

I'll send you a bottle of French champagne when that happens. OK?

Still, the EC is another mistake made more than two centuries ago that needs a correction. And this nonsense about big-state against small state is nonsense. Whyzat?

If a given piece of legislation was not wanted by smaller-states (because it somehow interfered with their political outlook or needs) in the Senate they could all band together and attempt to vote down the legislation! In an evenly divided Senate - which is typically most often the case - that method is enough to vote down the unwanted legislation.

That is how it works in our "democracy" today! So, let's just worry about the gerrymandering and the EC that falsify the popular-vote, shall we ... ?

 

I've TAUGHT Civics genius.

 

Moi621 said: ↑
Sadly the value of American geographic representation
blended with popular representation can never be
understood by ferigners.

Proof in lavender! see aboveward quote


<bow> <bow>

Thank you all.


Ref.: The Madison Compromise.
Easily searched and probably available en francais.
And La France too! weak allies y'know


It occurs to me, even a cuppa coffee short,
France and Russia might work better with a dash of
Geographical Representation.
Russia is all about Moscow / Petrograd
France is all about Paris.
And the rest of their peoples

 

By national popular vote.

By national popular vote.

See above.

 

But first they said the EC wouldn't vote for him. Then after the Inauguration they were performing witchcraft spells. Can't make it up. The same people who claim there is no spiritual world, all of a sudden believe in dark magic. Must have been those Harry Potter movies.

 

Bollocks!

Above all, in a presidential election* it is the NATION that unifies the country, not the manipulation of the Electoral College vote.

Something you should have learned in the Civics class that you evidently never took: The heartbeat of any democracy (or republic) is the popular-vote that must not be manipulated in any way or form. (From the NYT: What's Stronger Than a Blue Wave? Gerrymandered Districts)

Otherwise any such country is devoid of the sense or rule of the popular-vote, the essential-element of any True Democracy ... !

*And the same sense goes for the mindless gerrymandering that manipulates the state-vote since 1812 - particularly elections to the HofR. With any luck, the Supremes will find gerrymandering illegal nationally. But given their Replicant bent (and the fact that Replicants cant get elected without gerrymandering) there's little hope there.

 

I was taught Civics in an American high-school.

NEVER ONCE WAS GERRYMANDERING AND THE WAYWARDNES OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE MENTIONED! NOT ONCE!

And given your attitude to the patently observable manipulation of the popular-vote in the US, one can understand why it should be made illegal ... !

 

Of course not and it is not sad. The voting mechanism in the US brainless!

ONLY IN THE US ARE BOTH GERRYMANDERING AND AN "ELECTORAL COLLEGE" EMPLOYED TO MANIPULATE THE POPULAR-VOTE!

Particularly the Europeans after WW2 were obliged to look around for a voting method to establish their democracies. They all refused the mechanisms of both gerrymandering and an Electoral College - they are patent manipulations of the popular-election in the US thus being the key reason ... !

 

It is a decision very largely influenced by the fact that in the "urban centers" are to be found the best paying jobs and has nothing whatsoever to do with the aberrations of the gerrymandering and the EC!

Duhhhhhhhhh ...

 

And I've taught Civics in only American high schools.

You can't get rid of Gerrymandering entirely. Because if you do you have to give up drawing districts with supermajorities of African American voters in order to ensure that a certain minimum number of African Americans are elected to Congress. IIRC courts have repeatedly found that to be allowable.

 

What is wayward about the EC?

 

The popular-vote is magically transformed into a vote of "winner-takes-all"!

Yes, the Electoral College has a number of "voters" in proportion (supposedly) to the population registered in the state (based upon the Census Bureau's estimation). Here it is, find your state on it - and note this statement:

So, neither is the electoral vote based upon the total population of each state!

Instead of reporting in proportion to the popular-vote count in each state, the EC reports to Congress only the winner of the total amount of EC-votes.

How would you like to play a game where the winner takes all the prizes? There is no second-prize, no third-prize. NOPE! The winner takes them all!

That is voting in our so-called democracy when electing a president ... !

 

Of course you understand that it is the people of the States that decide how their EC reps will vote? There are a handful of States that do your proportional voting but most prefer to keep their votes and power in a bloc. What you propose is a winner take all on a national level.

 

The Electoral College earned its worth in the last Presidential election because it broke the stranglehold that the left wing had on our nation.

 

People hating the EC suddenly love it when it came to Abraham Lincoln who only got 38 percent of the popular vote.

 

No, that is what YOU propose.

I propose that there is no necessity whatsoever for an Electoral College to take the popular-vote count and, in consequence, send all the the EC-votes to Congress for the winner for the winner.

That is NOT a fair and just way to reflect the popular-vote in any state - and whether it were an a presidential election or a state-election!

We must rid the country of the both the Electoral College and just allow the popular-vote in each state to be counted. (As do most other democracies in the world!)

We must also rid the country of another voting-manipulation, which is that of Gerrymandering!

Then, and only then, can we call our country a True Democracy ... !