The Electoral College - yet again

Or replace it

 

An even less likely notion.

 

Empires fall often

 

When it does, no constitution will replace that which we have now.

 

NFL owners made a business decision, that has nothing to do with Trump. Your accusation is false...

 

A typo

The Legislature was setup to have one body, the House, represent the People and the other body, the Senate, represent the States. Why don't we just go back to that? But if we do as you say there certainly is no reason to have to the two bodies.

Of course all of that would take an amendment to the constitution which is not going to happen any time soon.

 

Only reason NFL owners made that decision was because of Trump. A President meddling in private business is the very definition of "big government" that Republicans hated so much in the past.

How the Republican Party has changed!

Will Trump ever take responsibility for his actions? Ever hear of "the buck stops here"?

Not with Trump!

 

They made that decision because their profits took a hit last year. That was the doing of the American people, not Trump, the government played no role in the NFL thing. Donald Trump has a right to free speech, he did not use any government agencies or executive powers to influence this in any way, meaning any effect he had was personal, not presidential...

 

Because Trump implicitly called for a boycot.


After this, and several similar outbursts,, NFL sales began declining. The owners did not want to risk this again.

The office of President carries great power. That is the reason why it was such a bad idea to give it to an irresponsible dope, like this guy

This used to be a Conservative's worst nightmare. Now they are fine with it. Idolatry sure changes people.

 

They did it because their ratings are tanking and the audience is saying screw the players and their politics.

 

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT


THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE


http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-electoral-college-yet-again.533295/

"One of the wisest decisions of the founding fathers (no mothers, aunts, so NOT P.C.) was a modicum of geographical representation. The Senate. And the Electoral College some find archaic and should be substituted for a direct, popular vote. . . . "


El Moi
Defender of defenseless threads

 

I honestly don't see the need to represent the states. Thats why we went away from it. When we stopped being a loose confederation like the EU and became a united nation separately representing states rather than just the people started making less and less sense.

 

To prevent the federal government from passing mandates especially those that require spending on the States for one thing. So the governors and state legislatures have a voice. We are the United STATES of America, the States, the state governments are to have a voice. We went away because the Congress thought there was too much corruption in the appointments by the state legislature and this would solve it. How did that work out? Let's get the money and the politics out of the Senate and turn them back into statesmen. Of course there was also the Senators not wanting to be an behest of the state legislatures and wanted to run as politicians instead of being appointed as statesmen.

 

We can prevent the federal government from mandating state spending with a constitutional amendment. Fixed.

What is the benefit of giving states a voice in federal government? They have barely any power and are more like glorified provinces that add 50 sets of taxes and regulations onto businesses. Even when the states started out with all the power they eventually lost most of it. This state-power experiment didn't work. States haven't done much to push forward fixes to our biggest problems either and the biggest changes have come from the federal government.

 

True. I guess @Dispondent needed to go way off-topic in order to avoid correcting or clarifying their statement that somebody wanted to change the Electoral College without amending the Constitution.

 

What would be the point?

you vote on which candidate gets the electoral votes in your state. Maybe you should be angry at candidates that neglected to campaign anywhere but California and New York did it the system that hasn't been a problem for 250 years.

I accept that the majority of the population in California disagrees with me. That doesn't mean that they should be the emperor of the United States. After all it's the United States California is just a state.

 

no it doesn't California gets a whopping 55 votes. If you were to taking votes from other states some wouldn't have any so to make California's votes count more you have to make other states votes null and void

 

Only because it protects minority states.

5 counties account for Hillary’s popular vote win, one in NY and 4 in California. 391 square miles. 5 counties would have determined the vote for the rest of the country.

The EC is brilliant.

 

well, there's more of them, so i think they should outweigh you. otherwise you're getting disproportionate representation

 

The Electoral College is in the Constitution, so no Bill signed into law can undo it.
It must be an Amendment.
Major Duh - Uh.


BTW the Electoral College was also created to act as a buffer between the popular vote
and selection of a president. A safe guard against the people voting wrong.
Most of the Founding Fathers were wary of the unwashed poor, mob, pure democracy.
The E.C., not just for geographical representation.


Moi
Protect the 3/5ths clause

 

So if you live in California your vote should be worth more than everybody else's in the country? That's very hypocritical of you.

So because California has more people in it and there can only be 538 you must take from states with fewer votes leaving them less represented or not represented at all?

 

The electoral college shouldn't exist

 

So we should be two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for dinner?

Sounds like tyranny of the majority to me.

 

Tyranny of the majority is refusing to let people who live in buttfuck nowhere make decisions for everyone just because there's less of them, I guess