The Empty Headed Socialist Darling Of The Democratic Party!

Weeeeeeeeeeeell by modern leftist standards she is at least as 'White' as was George Zimmerman. So there's that.

 

Um no it’s not. Obviously you’ve never dealt with someone in poor health or have constantly been in poor health. It is sinful how much we charge for ambulance rides and ER visits and admissions. The insurance industry is supposed to be a for health business, not a for profit business. And it’s sinful how much they can get away with not covering and/or paying for. Ambulance rides are much cheaper in a place like Germany and you don’t see or read insurance companies going out of business there. Good health should be non-negotiable.

 

Why not just take an uber to the hospital? Lots cheaper that way.

 

That’s simply an excuse if a pertain cannot move or has fallen and can’t get up. There is no substitute for EMS when it’s necessary.

 

The insurance industry is indeed supposed to be a for profit industry.

There is no logical or intelligent standard to demand otherwise.

 

Good health is not only negotiable it is optional and in many cases subjective.

It is ultimately the responsibility of the individual not others.

 

No the insurance industry is supposed to be a highly regulated industry, that cannot judge patients on pre existing medications or refuse to pay for hospitalizations. Capitalists and shareholders are not supposed to come first in this industry.

 

Half true.

Good health is not always guaranteed. Accidents happen and people get diseases out of their control. People get diseases like Addison’s that debilitates the body over a period of time and in some cases are fatal. They require many doctor visits and hospitalizations that yes insurance should be required to pay for. It’s called healthcare for a reason.

 

Well then, I guess it's gonna cost a bit more than uber.

I don't see the problem here. Yes, it costs more to take an ambulance than in other countries. There are price disparities for lots of things, and it's usually fairly easy to tell why a house costs more in santa monica than in detroit.

Why is it cheaper to get an ambulance in Germany than it is in America? Because of national health insurance? That's actually an apples and oranges thing because you're looking at insurance rather than actual costs. Do they buy cheaper ambulances? Do they pay their personnel peanuts?

 

I think I read a report once that stated the average German pays $12 a ride, versus here you can pay five grand for a ride.

When emergencies occur, it shouldn’t bankrupt people. That’s the bottom line. Heaping and building medical bills is quite frankly pathetic to pin on an individual who in some cases, those emergencies are not in their control.

 

$12 doesn't sound like it would cover the costs of the driver, let alone gas, vehicle maintenance, and the dude in the back making sure that the patient survives long enough to get to the hospital. Maybe in some third world country, but Germany isn't that.

I'm pretty sure that it's a bit more than a dozen funny euros.

Top Gear tackled this issue of expensive ambulances a few years ago, so maybe we could use their expertise when it comes to saving a few dollars.

 

Except for gender, this describes Trump to a "T" Open your eyes, if you can, and you'll agree.

 

I do not know enough about her to concur with that claim. What other nations do is not irrelevant.

I completely agree that the healthcare systems of every other first world nation are bloated inefficient monstrous and expensive Gov't bureaucracies. This is just a statement of fact.

What I also know is that despite this - WE PAY MORE and get Less. All I am arguing is that we would be better off scrapping our entire system and going to universal healthcare rather than continue as we are.

Not sure about any of her other claims but, in relation to Universal Healthcare .. she is not a total fool. The total fool is the one would would not trade something that is less expensive but provides more .. for something that is more expensive and provides less.

 

I'm sure you'll get a lot of support for the idea of scrapping the entire system, but you're not going to get much when it comes to replacing it with universal healthcare. That's replacing one bad system for another. However, feel free to do it locally. Contact your mayor and explain that you and your neighbors won't have a problem paying a bit more in taxes to completely fund an entire city hospital that will be free to all city residents.

Let us know how it goes!

 

Smart only in the fact that she knows the only people who benefit from socialism are the rulers. Witness Venezuela.

 

I'm going to agree with you (this one time!) Hospitals are supposed to be non-profit right? So, from where I live, the gas for the ambulance wouldn't cost $5; the two or three workers inside probably get paid, what do you figure, maybe $25/hr. each(?), and the ride took maybe 15 minutes at the most so that would be about $11 to the staff, right? The wear and tear on the ambulance, what, shall we give them another $5? So that means an ambulance ride for me to the hospital, to an institution that is supposedly non-profit, should cost me or my insurance company about $21 and that's generous. This is why I never participate in hospital fund raisers. Non-profit my ass.

 

Donald Trump and just not being in the real world but politically goes back to 1980.

 

I hate to inform you that the insurance industry is indeed there to make a profit, not to provide a free service.

And where are you getting this idea that health care is a right?

Who told you that?

Is it written somewhere in the cosmos because I've never seen it.

If you don't like paying for those things then get insurance for them. If you want to save money and buy a plan where they are not covered that's your fault.

 

What?

Where do you people come from?

Why do you think hospitals are supposed to be non-profit?

Seriously, where are you lefties sending your children to school at?

Karl Marx Acadamy?

 

DUDE ... what part of "Less expensive" are you having trouble understanding ? Normally I would say that your failings as a student is my failing as a teacher but, this is not rocket science.

"Less Expensive and more" "More expensive and less" were you given a choice of one or the other .. which would you choose ?

We are already paying for healthcare for people who do not pay anyway ... we already have a form of quazi universal healthcare .. it is not like of someone without coverage goes to the hospital we let them die .. it is not like folks on welfare do not have any healthcare. We just do it in a way that is way more expensive than the most expensive of the disgusting bloated and inefficient bureaucracies in other first world nations.

The reason for this is that we combine "bloated Gov't bureaucracy with private for profit"

Because of the "Private for Profit" element - price fixing, anti competitive practices, collusion and so on are rampant. Then there is the medical college which is another anti-competition problem.

 

I thought hospitals were considered non-profit. Aren't they?

 

I'll choose my own, and you choose your own. See, you keep trying to lump me in with your plans that will save us all this money, and all you need is me jumping on board. Well, I'm going my own way, which necessarily means that you're going your own way.

You sound like me trying to argue with my wife when we go shopping. I'm always heading to the bargain bin looking for the cheapest fry pan they have, and my wife gives me that look and goes off looking for a fry pan that has all the qualities that make a fry pan good. I point to the price and the 50% off deal that the store is willing to give me, and she tells me to stop being cheap.

That's my advice to you. Stop being mr. cheap fry pan guy. Buy a nice one using your money, and stop waiting for me to help finance your cheap fry pan!

 

Some are, and some aren't. The same is true for insurance companies. There really isn't a difference when it comes to how much it costs. It's just that the left hates it when people other than themselves are making a profit.

How it works is that a for profit hospital will take the profit and occasionally give some back to the owner. A non-profit hospital will take whatever isn't spent and throw it back into the hospital by giving the general manager who just happens to own the hospital a healthy bonus.

 

First of all, most hospitals lose money each year they don't make it hand over fist like you think they do.

You have for profit and non-profit hospitals, the only difference being that non-profit receive federal tax breaks for providing charitable care and community benefit, examples are like outreaches to the community or some free service, however both hospitals make profit outside of that.

In fact, 7 out of the 10 highest income earning hospitals last year were non-profits.

That being said, most hospitals don't make money and one of the reasons they have to charge so much for your ambulance ride are things like salaries, taxes, buying and maintaining very expensive equipment, research and development to some degree, if they have specialists they need to completely outfit that area with personal and the specific tools they need to do their job, they have to pay for vehicles and have them maintained, they have to pay for insurance and the biggest of them all, they have to defend against the thousands of lawsuits that get filed against them.

Your little 25 dollar ambulance ride you think you should get doesn't take into account any of that.

 

How do you pay for it?