The evidence is unnecessary

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  1. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    Yes, if only us religious folks were sooooo smart like atheists are. :(

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    We can start with the religion where solely God is worshiped.

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    Of course. You either submit to God or your desires.

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    How isn't it irrelevant?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you don't eat, drink, seek shelter, seek entertainment?
     
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    Needs =/ desires. I need to drink and seek shelter.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you don't ever entertain yourself?

    you don't engage in any recreational activities?

    you don't ever play pool, ping pong, soccer?

    never watch tv?
     
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    Religion in general is teach fear for a profit. This just sounds like a lame excuse I cannot prove god is real so ill blame someone else?
     
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    Sure, as long as the entertainment doesn't include things God has forbidden.

    But then again, no one is perfect. :)
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh, so you're not just a slave to god. you also engage in worldly pleasures.
     
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    Pleasures that God has created and allowed man to enjoy.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you choose to engage in them, or not to.

    that shows free will.

    free will and slavery to not coexist.

    so your silly comment about "you are either a slave to your desires or a slave to God", has been debunked by your own comments.

    and no, God did not create soccer, pool, and ice hockey
     
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    Agreed. If God exists* it's a certainty he's not all powerful. Proof: Atheists exist.

    * I rate this probability equal to Santa Claus existing.
     
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    So Hinduism, Buddhism and Wicca are not "true" religions?
     
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    It can if everything is purposely done for God.

    God created everything.

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    They are certainly not the True religion.
     
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    so you are a slave to your desires and to God
     
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    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    So what if atheists exist? Atheists just reject God. They know He exists, but they reject Him.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, atheists reject that a God can exist, especially a silly/illogical/irrational God as portrayed in Muhhamedism.
     
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    No, because I can still choose not to indulge in my desires.

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    There is nothing silly or illogical about God.
     
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    a god that can do anything and everything, but has to ask where his creations are and go searching for them, and cannot declare a man to be his son, is silly and illogical.

    and no, you are a slave to your desires as you cannot resist them.
     
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    I can't reject a being unproven due to lack of proper evidence, since I don't believe it exists which is correctable - just provide proper reasonable evidence.
     
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    Uh-huh. That's one common way of how atheists hide the Truth. They convince themselves that they need to see God in order believe in Him.

    Why? Because they know He won't.

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    So what if you can't resist them? That isn't part of the test.
     
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    Unbeliever? No, God convinces everyone, at different times. Some people are just disobedient to the core, and will never enter paradise.
     
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    What makes a "true" religion and what makes a "false" religion?
     
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    believing in an all-powerful higher authority who just happens to support everything than the ego desires, is just another form of egotism.

    actually, relgious people are far more egotistic than atheists - cause religious people believe that their egos are "divine."

    I mean how egotistic is that? That's like one step below claiming that you are god!
    And you blame atheists for being egotistic? Atheists are the least egotistic people - since we believe that we are insignificant nothings in the universe, which is true.
     
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    And most of us can't get how the deist can believe in something so profound in their lives and so influential in society - with no sound evidence in fact no evidence at all that can hold up to sound reasonable inquiry.

    Catholics have for example Lourdes and the small number of miraculous healings that defy other explanations however in nature humans spontaneously heal from dangerous conditions cancer for example due to the human body being a miraculous machine and in rare cases do that. You toss enough crap at the wall in this case millions of seekers of healing at the holy site a tiny number will be such persons so its statistically nothing to prove miracles. Now if ,no other treatment given, this number would defy normal healing of humans then maybe you would have something say 1 in a thousand people got cured of cancer naturally it would be very unusual.

    Seriously deists I sometimes think your the ones afraid of the Truth that there is no god and your morality and how you live and what you do is all that there is and when we die we rot in the ground and worms eating the flesh returning you to Earth.

    This also has for me serious issues physician assisted suicide which could alleviate end of life suffering if one chooses to do it is being stalled by the religious, atheists have no afterlife and in from my experience supportive of this practice to give people who choose to do it a comfortable and dignified end of their lives when they don't want to fight any more. When your in end stage cancer you very likely going to die its only a matter of when the very rare healing from that is not worth the risk of suffering to me and modern medicine may no longer be able to do anything to stop natural death being hard. Its that as one of many reason I oppose deism and religion ,which is unproven, when there is proven things that could be done and aren't which is your dying and going to suffer and you can't get the most humane option offered as one example.

    Why would I stop challenging the religious your side is holding humanity back from what I see as a better position and the far stronger position of materialist science?
     
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    Existence of Atheists disproves your claim that "God" is all-powerful, and can make man believe in him regardless of the lack of evidence.


    What nonsense it this? If atheists knew God existed, they wouldn't be atheists. What you're describing sounds more like Satanists.
     
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    Why?

    Difference is that the atheist rejection of God manifests on a subconscious level.

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    Any religion where God is not worshiped should be readily discarded.
     

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