The fabrications to defund Planned Parenthood continue

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  1. Genius

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    The government funds abortion. I pay taxes. Pay attention.
     
  2. FoxHastings

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    WHERE EXACTLY DID I ASK YOU TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS ??? ANSWER: NO WHERE. pay attention....
    Obviously you have no argument when you have to make things up....
     
  3. Balto

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    I think the pathetic nature of this "war on women's health" was well on display when those fake videos of Planned Parenthood came out a couple years ago by the activist group, Center for Medical Progress, which the guy behind the videos was the one found at fault for transporting and purchasing body parts.
     
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    Yea, I remember that. They dropped the ball big time on that as well. Sort of shut them down for a while too. But now they are back inventing something new. Except they got caught big time again fabricating a chart about abortion. Jason Chavez should have a dunce cap on his head for that screw up. What a clown he is huh?

    Truth is, they have no case against PP. So, what will they do? They'll defund it anyway, putting at risk millions of women who depend on PP, while the wives of these Republican monsters will enjoy piggybacking off the husbands government funded health care. How sick is that?

    These are Gestapo tactics they celebrate. Never thought the Gestapo would come back. We'll, I was wrong. This is total insanity what these folks are doing.
     
  5. Balto

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    Yeah, I think Carly Fiorina forever diminished her credibility when she tried taking those fake videos, and pinning them against Hillary Clinton. With Pence, the threat to defund is ever more real, including a larger pro-life narrative throughout the country. No woman should have to go through a pregnancy if they don't want to. PP, like LGBT marriage rights, will be one of the losses to account for, not only with one of the most conservative AG's, but one of the most conservative "VP's."
     
  6. ChiefSeattle

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    And that's just getting started. This is going to be a slash, gut, run and hide presidency.
     
  7. Balto

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    It already is with Trump and Pence's contradictory responses on Russia's involvement. As far as I'm concerned, the Ringling Bros didn't close up shop, they just went under another name. The Trump Show.
     
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    Stop yelling. Your volume does not prove your point. Facts do.
     
  9. ChiefSeattle

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    These Gestapo tactics the Right have been proposing are not just disturbing, but dangerous to human life. And what's worse, is their total disregard for that human life. I'm really beside myself. Never did I ever imagine that hate would run so deep for such a large part of the population, that actually mimics the attitudes of what was once Nazi Germany. And these folks are just fine with the lies that go along with it. We are entering a period of time in our history where total insanity is trying to take control. And it's just my hope, that "WE THE PEOPLE" who really do care about "WE THE PEOPLE", can coalesce around that energy and defeat the virus of this new administration, which will be attacking us from within.

    The virus of hate is an agenda in progress in this country that must be stopped. For it will surely destroy us, if we do not destroy it.
     
  10. Lesh

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    If you refuse to respond to inquiries then yelling is the only alternative
     
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    This applies to both sides. If you're on the left, you think the right is trying to impose its morality of no abortions on you. If you're on the right, you think the left is imposing its morality on millions of innocent babies. There is no moral middle ground on this issue, and someone has to suffer the consequences of the moral decision. If the left wins, it's the innocent babies snuffed out before they have a chance to take their first breath. If the right wins, it's the not-so-innocent women who choose to have unprotected sex and end up pregnant. But perhaps if abortion becomes illegal again, fewer women will have unprotected sex and abortions will no longer be necessary.

    As for Planned Parenthood, it's a profit-making enterprise and as such does not deserve a cent of taxpayer money, any more than General Motors or Bank of America. And morally speaking, it is far less deserving than either of those.

    By the way, people, quick review: "its" = ownership (its headquarters, its money, its policy); "it's" = contraction of it is or it has (it's going to rain, it's been a busy day, it's hard to deal with idiots); and the past tense of the verb "to lead" is spelled "led", not "lead". (The Republicans have led on this issue. The Democrats were led kicking and screaming the whole way.) Even supposedly professional journalists have been getting "led" wrong lately, so I don't blame you, but I can still correct you.
     
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    Nice spin :)
     
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    As many have provided there are far more issues with Planned Parenthood then what Chavez got wrong. I'm sure some would very much like to hold the attention to "One" aspect of the organization and not discuss some of the other more lucrative aspects of it ;)
     
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    And you don't have any....................
     
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    So you think discussing the founder of Planned Parenthood Margret Sanger and her published reason for creating it is not pertinent in discussing the organization. You might have had a point if she hadn't been a strong proponent of eugenics, abortion, sterilization, segregation and pro wealthy white, intelligent and a firm believer that the poor, sickly, crippled, retarded, black and dimwitted should be fixed like a dog and forced to work as farm hands until they died.

    Of course one would have to be out of their minds to find any correlation between Planned Parenthood directly ran under Margret and the one being run today! Not like she would have ever enjoyed the success her signature gift to the world has grown.
     
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    Funny how you referenced the Nazis through out you post when the founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger praised the Nazis sterilization policies.
     
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    So stick to the facts; answer his question.
     
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    Sorry abortion isn't owning your own body. It is the destruction of some one else's.
     
  19. ChiefSeattle

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    And unless you are God, you are very, very wrong. Your opinion does not warrant ownership to anyone's body.

    As for the destruction of someone else's, if that were really a concern for your crowd, you all wouldn't be trying to get rid of essential life and death programs such as PP and ACA. Without them, millions will die. And they don't seem to care one bit. Try squaring that with your pro-life bs.
     
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    The point here is that there is no true righteous decision- and it is terribly painful for most to decide for an abortion, and usually because of the consequences for both mother and child due to circumstances. But- the people who bear those consequences are the only ones with any right to decide, because they pay the price. Nobody gets an abortion for fun; it is a crisis- and made terribly worse by half the people in the nation, who have nothing to do with the situation demanding you do what they want. I once had a friend who was a card-carrying bumper stickers right to lifer find herself pregnant due to a spousal rape in a physically abusive marriage she had been fighting to get out of. In an incredibly painful decision- she asked me to take her to an our of town clinic for an abortion. You see, it's a totally different thing when you are the person who bears the consequence, compared to proudly telling others that they should because you think it's right.
    Abortion is seen as a short-term yes/no issue by the pro-life movement, but the truth is that the choice affects the entire life of the person faced with it. The quality and productivity of that life matters too, but they don't worry about that part.

    I believe thet right answer is that is that if you are not part of the problem and consequence, you have no say at all about how it must be handled.

    As for funding- I am paying taxes to support a great many things that I abhor and get no benefit from. I'm highly in favor of improving the quality of life for everyone- that is how you build a better world. I think allowing choice, and helping when needed is no different than hundreds of other choices we make everyday, that often have no perfect answer.
     
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    Are we created beings or evolving beings? If created then we need to be about doing those things that the One that created us requires of us. If we are evolving then we need to be about those things that Darwin outlined and be about killing off those weaker and that by necessity includes everything that the male appreciates weaker and intellectually inferior than himself.
    It is NOT at an arguable point that a fetus is a complete human being and why it is written "what God has "joined" together, let no man put asunder". Religious man has absolutely NO authority in the eyes of God concerning marriage, as you will note the countless times that those of religion are upbraided throughout the Bible. a MARRIAGE IS THE UNION OF A SPERM AND AN EGG and that is in the dictionary, if one avails themselves of such.
    Killing an INNOCENT human being is the worst affront that can be appreciated in the eyes of God and that is also in the self help manual. Either way so called humanity elects to travel, I am prepared for both, but we cannot pursue two different ideologies and survive as sentient beings and that is also written in the self help manual.
     
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    That's why he or she wanted the other poster to stop yelling. Because he or she can't answer the question.
     
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    And when would they take their first breath did you say? And when does life begin? Do you know? You must, because you are already passing judgment as some God like creature, who is convinced you can pass moral judgment.

    And since you seem to be in the business of playing God, concerned so much about that first breath, I'm curious why you would single out an already born woman, and deprive her of her second breath, because you took away her ability to have a cancer screening because PP was her only outlet to have a chance for that second breath.? It seems to me your logic hits a big speed bump, when one apparently is more important than the other? Just curious how you square that with this moral high ground you seem to own?
     
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    Nice pro life talking points. Unfortunately, until the umbilical cord is cut, the baby and mother are one entity.
     
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    Lol! Is PP talking about sterilization today, while you reference a dead person?
     

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