The Futility of the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence

OK, now you ignore the "go fast" video.

But, Underwood's maneuvers do not form any proof of anything.

And, what West has pointed to a logical explanation of what is recorded by the aircraft as depicted in the video.

The cost of the airplane and the fact that the pilot had problems reacquiring the object that was recorded do NOT combine to form proof of inordinate speed or behavior of that object.

You're still TOTALLY ignoring what West pointed out.

You are just refusing to look at the evidence.

 

Also, you are continuing to include the "go fast" video, which is an example of the same problem.

There is CLEAR evidence of what was seen.

The math absolutely destroys the interpretation made by the pilot, who reported the incident in full and total honesty, but just got the interpretation part wrong.

Yet YOU continue to include it!!

Why? To me, this proves you are not willing to consider ANY evidence.

 

Just the oppostie. I've considered it and rejected it for the following reason:

Because Wests 'calculation of speed' is limited to a tiny portion of all the videos and testimony.

I explained why, and you are ignoring the facts that are far more compelling than a calculation of speed during a portion of a short video which doesn't factor in other data points.

The 5 observables, arrive at by a team of scientists and engineers of AATIP, over a period of years, as reported by the former director, Lou Elizondo. IF West's alleged 'evidence' was true, there would be no AATIP,.

You ignore visual identification of four pilots to the same phenomenon.

You assert that 'it's common to make visual mistakes"

by fighter pilots it's common? What evidence do you have for that?

It's not even logical, their very lives depend on visual accuracy

You are the one denying evidence, because there is far more evidence than West.

You are going to tell me Wests, who is not a pilot, who hasn't operated this gear let alone flown a jet, is going to tell me what the Commander who filmed the video tells me which defies West?

You've got to be kidding. West's assumption on the darting to the left is flawed because he is not familiar with how the occurrence went down, his is only an assumption, and one thing it is not, is 'evidence'.

 

Because his is an opinion regarding the 'darting off screen'.

His is NOT 'evidence'. he is not a fighter pilot, he is not familiar with the gear as is the pilot who filmed the Go Fast video.

Underwood "and we started seeing jam strobe lines'.

Since when to banal objects jam radar?

9:55, "that's when all the erratic things started happening, ...then we started seeing what we call jam strobe lines [evidence his radar was being jammed]

How can you possibly deny Underwood?

LISTEN:

15:05
"since it shot off to the left I immediately vectored my own aircraft to try and require it and....nothing....."

Corbell: "What was weird about what you filmed that day, compared to every other day of your flying career?

Underwood: 'that darting off to the left....because as I'm tracking it, from my radar to my FLIR, I see that kind of stuff daily, however, my radar and FLIR should have been able to account for that kind of discrepancy [been able to reacquire the target]. And so, once it shot off to the left, I
aggressively and immediately maneuvered by fighter to the left to try and reacquire and it moved with a velocity that I've never seen. I should be able to reacquire that aircraft, or whatever it was. I mean, we're talking about an $80 million dollar fighter aircraft".



West;s opinion, and that is all it is, an opinion, does not disprove this pilots testimony. West's opinion MUST be flawed due to his unfamiliarity with the gear.

 

No, West fully explained the "go fast" video with NO POSSIBILITY of error by him or others who point out what the instruments of the airplane are recording.

Yet, you true believers STILL pitch that video as "evidence".

That is a thorough indictment of the logic being used by true believers.

One CAN go on to the other debunked videos, but why bother?

 

https://cathedral.org/event/our-future-in-space/



The video is longer than most people will probably bother watching, but this gathering of these people in this place to discuss this topic, should convince anyone being objective that there is much more to this than a few devoted believers latching on to easily debunked videos.

 

There is a lot of interest in humans exploring the cosmos, from our atmosphere on out.

We even have companies spending huge sums to develop travel to space as entertainment!

That is not the same as individuals promoting ideas that are clearly unrelated to all the physics we know today and for which there is no confirmable evidence. That's not exploration. Yet, the history of that goes back to the beginning of human history.

 

You didn't watch the video.

the DNI and head of NASA did exactly what you deride above.

 

That's absurd. You cannot deny that West is not an expert nor is he familiar with the jet radar / FLIR logistics (or whatever the appropriate terminology is), and his egregiously cavalier and smug assumption is flawed, given the testimony of Commander Chad Underwood, who is....

The pilot who filmed Go Fast video.

You, sir are flat out, incontrovertibly, inescapably, incorrect.

Your verbiage 'the military is not here to prove your space alien beliefs' and
'true believer' are not the language of science, but the language of emotion, and you are trying to tell me you are a man of science, noting that you are so willing to cling to first so-called 'debunker' who comes along and confirms your bias and then turn around and hurl loaded words at me, words unbecoming of science, while not even considering, for a moment, his assumptions about the gear and thus his calculations therefore just might be flawed?

They just might be.

Look, bias, for or against, either way, it's just as bad.

How is it you cannot know this?

 

Please state what it is that you want to point out.

What is it that the DNI and NASA did that you think some would not approve of.

 

Please cite any source that shows any mistakes in the math in the refutation of the "go fast" video.

 

If you want to see it, skip to the parts of that video where he is interviewing Bill Nelson and the Director of National Intelligence. I'm not going to restate what they said here so you only have to debunk the assessment of a random internet UFO fanatic.

Look at what is being put out in it's original format, then see if you remain a UFO skeptic fanatic.

If you truly care about information, you would want to see the sources.

 

West absolutely IS an expert in technical photography such as is involved in the entire issue here.

Those who are NOT expert at that are the pilots. They know how to use the equipment, but as YOUR videos have shown, West has been able to demonstrate to them how and why objects have seemed to have moved due to factors such as the gimbled cameras, the infrared detector behavior, the automatic magnification and image searching systems.

You even posted a pilot who was unaware that the infrared camera in a tic tac video was in a mode that shows heat as black instead of white - and thus claimed the object had no detectable source of power!!!

You posted a video of another pilot who was clearly unaware of how the gimbled camera system moves while attempting to track objects.

The point here is that mistakes like these can be made when driving a jet fighter and encountering objects that are not the targets encountered in training - such as the weather balloon.

But, when having the time to carefully analyze the photography, it is possible to find these errors.

The math doesn't lie and it doesn't misperceive anything. In the "go fast" video, the pilot's screen shown in the video reports the characteristics of the airplane's flight - elevation, etc. From that, the math shows where the object was and how fast it was going.

Nothing the pilot has said could possible counter that.

 

You don't want to state your "evidence" AT ALL.

You just want to claim that buried in some video there is something that you think needs to be known!!!

And, I'm here to tell you that claims such as yours are available by the thousands - the problem is they are schlock or majorly misinterpreted.

 

It’s not buried. It’s the entire point of the video.

You are choosing ignorance.

 

Did he make a calculation based on the 'darting to the left'?

If so, it's based on a flawed assumption about what is being witnessed.

But I don't recall him making a calculation on the darting to the left, only a guess as to what it was.

Either way, if he made a guess, he made a wrong guess as to what the dart to the left was, or if he did make a calculation, correct mathematically on it assumptions, however if the assumption about the nature of what is being witnessed on the video is wrong, then proving the correctness of the calculation would be a moot exercise.

That the above is true is proven by Commander Underwood's testimony as to what he witnessed.

And, since he witnessed it, knows how the gear works, familiar with it, and West did NOT witness it, nor is he familiar with the gear, or the jet, or the how the radar or FLIR, works (together to reacquire the target ), the correct conclusion to make should be based on Underwood's testimony.

And what is that conclusion?

The conclusion is that, whatever it is, it is not 'banal'.

That much, we do know.

this is what you are not getting.

 

Much of that MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A HALF is taken up with crap like Bezos.

If you can not say your argument, you do NOT have an argument.

You were right in the first place about people blowing an hour and a half on a video.

 

The "go fast" video has NO DARTING.

You are just plain ignoring the evidence of what is seen in these videos.

I focused on the EASIEST vid to analyze - a vid that is CONSTANTLY used by those who believe in aliens even though it is totally debunked. There are no fast movements. There are no gimble issues. There is no infrared to interpret.

And, YOU have posted fragments of this video over and over again.

Yet it is solidly debunked, and any use of this video as if it is evidence of aliens is just a big red flare that the video is produced and distributed by those who do not care about the validity of evidence even in the least.

 

yea, skip Bezos.

https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...ional-intelligence-director-does-not-rule-out

this summarizes what the DNI and Bill Nelson had to say.

 

Mick West is a video game programer, not an expert on radar/FLIR system.

This is a lot more than the subject of 'photography' .

I'm a photographer, was a professional for many years, I'd call myself an expert, but I know squat about how radar and FLIR works

So don't lecture me on 'photography'. please.

Like I said, you are incontrovertibly and inescapably wrong.

Your math can be correct, but it if is based a flawed assumption about what is being witnessed, proving it's correctness is a moot exercise.

"I'm not really a scientist" --- Mick West

 

"I'm not really a scientist" --- Mick West


HIS BIO:

My name is Mick West. I’m a writer and a debunker. I used to be a video game programmer. I focus on investigating and explaining conspiracy theories such as Chemtrails, 9/11 controlled demolition, and False Flags. I also cover more esoteric topics such as UFO’s, pseudoscience, Flat Earth, photo analysis, and quackery.

BFD.

Where are the credentials?

He has none.

 

The "go fast" video doesn't have any "darting" and the debunking doesn't have to include anything about gimbles.

Yet, you keep talking about "darting".

I'm pointing out that the "go fast" video has been debunked. It can be debunked using the numbers on the aircraft display and simple high school math.

Then, I point out that those who tout these videos still include the "go fast" video even though there is no chance that it has anything to do with aliens.

 

Why are you concerned about whether he is a scientist?

In the case of "go fast" he has to have a high school diploma!

 

@WillReadmore

https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...ional-intelligence-director-does-not-rule-out

You should read this Hill article.

I think seeing the things people who know more than we do say is more productive than debating what is in a couple of videos that were selectively leaked.

Especially when it’s credible people in positions that have historically went out of their way to discredit any UFO related stories.

You may conclude that the government is running an operation to convince the public UFOs are a threat so they can fund defense, but I don’t see how anyone can just say it’s nothing but crazy theories.

 

You want me to trust a high school grad with such critical determinations?

I don't think so. You seem to think all factors necessary for a scientific conclusion have been considered, and they haven't.

I mean, what kind of scientist are you? Or, are you a scientist? Hmmm?

How about a study by some real scientists using scientific protocols all of which your high school 'debunker' must be unaware

https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...-the-science-behind-the-nimitz-ufo-encounter/

Robert Powell, Richard Hoffman, Morgan Fiel in the fall of 2017 founded a non profit organization
Called the Scientific Coalition of UAP studies. Over 120 members, 28% of membership are PHDs,
professors from Universities, NASA employees, people who are in the defense industry, people who
are in the high tech industry. Over half the SCUS membership have advanced degrees

He utterly destroys your premise.

Listen to the whole thing.