The Future EU Army

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    His tweet pointed to the misunderstood comment, and in the end he ended up looking quite foolish. He'd be better off if he ditched the Twitter. The truth is that Europe is not sure if US would keep their end of the NATO deal if Europe was attacked, and that is 100% Donald Trumps fault.
     
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    I don't follow EU laws but you can get an idea of what I am talking about at http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-1937_en.htm and I find it interesting that an economic union would include a Commissioner for Justice, Consumers and Gender Equality.
     
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    These initiatives do not impose any laws in EU citizens. Their goal was to get Facebook, Twitter etc social media to do something about controlling hate speech and people inciting violence in social media.
     
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    Yup, because defense was irrelevant as long you pay for it. Defense was cut back more and more. Would you spend money in something you dont need?

    Fact is, that Germany is a leading power in science and engineering. Also one of the worldwide leading weapon producers for export. Another fact is our unrivaled economic power, gargantuan budget surplus, low debt.

    If circumstances change and we cant depend on taking your defense for granted, we will do it ourself. Until then the cow gets milked as long as possible.
     
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    Which is 12.200,00 kg. You need 6,2 kg Plutonium for a Nagasaki type bomb.

    You can calculate yourself how much nukes that means. Add the fact that we also produce heavy water, tritium ect and you know what we are capable off.

    Did you honestly believe a country like Germany could not build a Nuke? You do realize a nuclear weapon is a primitive device?
     
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    Correct ... at least partially!
    Exactly that will lead to a nominal increase of the budget in 2019 and as it looks, that will help!
    However, this is a political issue ... where "O miracle" ... as a thinking and brain conservative I strongly criticize my government and especially the rather left SPD of the governing coalition!
    But there is also the fact that our current Minister of Defense is also not capable ...

    But all this is rather a temporary matter of mismanagement and inability, which can be repaired problem-free!

    By the way ... every country has its problems there, including the USA. But let's take as an example the UK and we have almost the same problems as in Germany ... too little staff for the ambitions, too little money and too little ready or good material. The new infantry fighting vehicle "Ajax" which is to replace the Warrior is a single disaster and worse off than the German Puma which should replace the old marten and also has problems.
    And of the 400 Challenger 2, more than half are also not or only partially conditionally ready! Reason like us idiotic politicians!
     
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    And Trump doesn't like it.:oldman:
     
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    You do know that Germany isn't second in the creation of plutonium, correct?
     
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    I disagree with your last statement. NATO is a phony organization that holds its' members hostage and extorts them on false pretenses of "threats" that do not exist. The WMD hoax in Irak is a very good example but there are many others. The point: As soon as any NATO member state removes its tongue from Washington's butt-hole it will be at that moment the U.S. will reverse its agreements vis-a-vis that particular nation. That situation has been in effect since long before the dismantling of the USSR. To put it in a nutshell, America's tactic is a familiar one, "It's a nice country you have here. It would be a shame if something bad should happen to it."
     
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    How many nukes can we build with our 12.200 kg of Plutonium, when the Nagasaki bomb was 6 kg.
     
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    No, it was real, and USSR respected it. It is not so real anymore, so the Euros are going to plan-B.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    I think its quite clear.

    Germany and other european nations dont trust in NATO anymore so we start something else.
     
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    The point is that it goes beyond what most people would define as an economic union. It started as an economic union. It is growing into something else entirely.
     
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    Nah. Economic unions do exactly that. They come with rules and agreements in regards to corporations which operate within the union. If they came up with laws to govern individual citizens in member countries, then I'd be concerned if I lived there.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Americans view a European Military with relief, not with anxiety.

    75 years post-WW II, it's about time to give the American taxpayers a break.
     
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    My question is who is going to be fighting in this new German military. The median age in Germany is over 47 years of age. Beyond that a great many of the military age people they do have are the Muslims. The vast majority of them fled their homelands to avoid military inscription. Thinking they are going to carry the German banner is a pipe dream.
     
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    Why would they get a break? We never spent for them, we spent for us, and will continue to spend no matter what EU does. If we lose a foothold in Western Europe, we'll find it someplace else.
     
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    20 million Germans are military age, and no, most of them are not muslims. Less than 6% are muslims.
     
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    Nonsense, unless you consider 40 year olds to be military age.
    The 18 to 25 group shows a population of 6.31 million.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/454349/population-by-age-group-germany/

    Germany can't even fill their paltry current military.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ger...g-foreigns-and-teenagers-to-fill-ranks-2018-8

    "From a high of 585,000 personnel in the mid-1980s, German troop levels have fallen to just under 179,000 as of mid-2018. In 2017, the Bundeswehr had 21,000 unfilled positions, and half of the force's current members are expected to retire by 2030."
     
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    He seems to be moving in the direction Trump wanted though I doubt other EU leaders will pay much attention.

    And Macron must know that the US is no threat to Europe, that's just local politics. If that was the case it would have happened 100 years ago.
     
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    Thats naive at best. Evry foreign country is a threat in security. USA is a threat, Russia amd China as well. Thats simple diplomatic reality.
     
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    But out 12tons or some more Plutonium what we officially have, how many nuclear weapons can be build out of them again, eh?
    And our ability to make Plutonium at any time if we want is also given... and also the knowledge how to build a nuclear weapon we have!
     
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    So you admit Germany isn't 2nd or 3rd or 4th or 5th. Japan tops Germany with Plutonium. Could make 3 times more than Germany could.
     

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