The GOP and the White Evangelical Vote

Proof?

 

So we should not give some people rights because it's going to cost us more money? Wow.

 

so you propose we ban divorce? or education and easy access to birth control?

 

Most inner cities are predominately black, have a lot of crime, many dropouts and high unemployment, yet they vote dem. Dem mayors, dem dog catcher, dem whatever. And they have plenty of churches full every Sunday.

 

make prescription drugs OTC and allow people to self service themselves if we want to complain about the cost of them going to the prescription gate keepers for permission

if the gov makes it illegal to self treat yourself, then the gov has an obligation to help the poor get treatment

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This doesn't make sense. If Jews, Christians, Agnostics and Atheists have divorce rates of under 30% how is the general divorce rate 50%? Even if every single Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and Wiccan couple got divorced, that still would not make the general divorce rate 50%.

 

I can't really argue with that. The liberal trend in public schools has been to "equalize" all the students - even if they have to hold the high-achievers back to do so. It's another dumbing-down of our educational system.

Eric Holder, perhaps the biggest antagonist to set foot in the AG Office, has taken steps to ensure that minority students are not "disciplined" at a higher rate than are other students. While punishment standard MUST be equal for all students, Holder's position is problematic because it encourages schools to look the other way when a minority student breaks a rule. As a result, it encourages minority students to break more rules - with impunity.

It's one thing to ask schools to follow equal-discipline policies, based on the severity of the infraction, but to start looking at numbers and making districts reduce punishment for one group is just poking a wasps' nest.

 

It may be out-of-date, but a 2007 Pew Survey found that White evangelical Protestants made up 37% of all Republican voters, and constituted a majority (55%) of Republican social-issue voters. Of course, in a Party that is 89% White, that leaves only 11% that are "other."

If you have current figures that differ markedly, I'd appreciate your providing a link to them.

I'm not using the term "qualified" in a legal sense, nor do I consider a state labeling someone as a "legal guardian" indicative of theirt either possessing the knowledge base that they purport to convey, nor the pedagogical skills necessary to convey it. The public schools serve the vast majority, and parents with the mastery of curricula and the inclination and leisure time to spend educating their children comprise a small, self-selecting minority. That approach certainly has some advantages, but is simply impractical for most.

When you proclaim that, "a parent has only to be a parent to be a homeschooler," I regard that as no qualification as a teacher whatsoever. Not even every dedicated parent is suited to teaching,even if he has the free time to try it. How can the average single-parent or dual-income household struggling economically afford to allocate the required time to provide a comprehensive education - even to the minute number of students at whom such a major commitment is directed.

For those special folks in exceptional circumstances, good luck to them. If they hone their skills and ever do need a job, there is certainly no shortage of classrooms with dozens of kids who need them.


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Those are actually measured in two separate ways. First, the number of marriages that end in divorce are slightly over 50%.

Then, they talk to those folks - the ones that divorced - and break that group down by religion.

 

Higher marriage rates=higher divorce rates.

 

That's a decent study but you've misrepresented it. The white evangelicals are 37%, meaning 63% of the GOP are NOT white evangelicals.

The fact that evangelicals make up 55% of the "social issue) voters says nothing, except that even in that group, 45% are NOT social issue voters. The 63% remainder of the GOP is not broken down by whether or not they are social issue voters, but there are a good number of social issue voters in the democrat party as well, and they make their decision based on whether a candidate is pro-choice or pro-gay-rights. The "social issue" factor means little.

Your study shows that 63% of Republican voters are not in the Religious Right category, which is the point I made earlier.

Yes, it is either impractical for most - or they don't care to homeschool. My point is that a parent who is not a certified teacher can produce a student that scores higher than the average coming out of public school.

I live in a state (Kansas) where there are a high number of homeschools. I can't testify as to what jobs the parents work, but I'm guessing that the mothers work part-time at the most in order to school the kids. I worked in an athletic facility and once a week, it was "homeschool day," and dozens of kids came to participate in sports in order to fulfill their physical fitness requirements. Once they reach middle school age - they often compete on school teams. I don't know why all parents choose to homeschool, but the kids I came into contact were bright, well-mannered, well-spoken and they followed directions without having to be told twice. In Kansas, a parent doesn't even have to have a high school degree to homeschool. For the most part, they are dedicated and motivated and the success of their children is a tribute to that.

They would probably be an asset in a schoolroom, unfortunately, the NEA has enacted standards to keep them out.

And those same standards make it very difficult for a school board to fire a tenured teacher, no matter how poorly he or she teaches the students.

See some of the problems we deal with because we have a union breathing down our necks?


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Take it up with Dave it's his schtick to point out that all these fatherless kids are a drain on society. So it's not my solution just an actual practicable suggestion to a white evangelical who does nothing but complain about something that's never gonna change.

Exactly what makes you think I'm progressive?

Evil white evangelicals have always been with us in our society but if you have been paying any attention at all for the last 100 years or so it is clear they are on the same path as the dinosaurs. They won't last too much longer as it's clear they are fast becoming a laughing stock and obsolete.

 

Then if I were you (and espoused all the same warped ideas as you) I would get out there and start working hard to get all those pregnant welfare non wed women to start aborting their babies as fast as possible... at least this would be doing something proactive rather than just sittin' around complainin' on an internet forum where no one actually takes you that serious concerning this anyhow.

 

Oddly enough marriage is the number one reason for divorce!

 

Nice try. Liberals are less likely to get married in the first place than conservatives, so of course their divorce rate is going to be lower.

 

And if a lower divorce rate is the target why would this be a problem?

 

The argument that he was trying to make is that conservatives get divorced more than liberals, therefore, conservatives are hypocrites when they claim to want a return of the family unit. I pointed out the flaw in his sole example.

 

Yes, given that the GOP is 90% White, how could it be that "white, Hispanic, Asian ... constitute a much larger 'bulk' of the Republican base than do white evangelicals," as you claim?

Isn't it very difficult to find more than 37% of the 100% within that 11%?

Just about any public school teacher could explain the arithmetic difficulty, I'm sure.

Some can, some can't, and so it should certainly be a supervised option. Given that it is a self-selecting group that enjoys special circumstances, I would expect many to do admirably, but they are, of necessity, a small minority.

Evidencing discipline and displaying good manners is certainly desirable. It is not necessarily a hallmark of scholastic achievement, of course.

Given the disastrous fiscal mess occasioned by ideological extremism in Kansas, the public school system may continue to deteriorate to the point that even barely literate adults may be encouraged to home school - and if they are unemployed and living off welfare payments, they might find worse things to do with all that time on their hands and no income to spend.

 

The only flaw I see is conservatives proclaiming they want to return to their warped ideas of family values but are still divorcing at all and in any amount more or less than any other group.

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Sorry I see no flaw if the required outcome is less divorce.

 

Seriously? Take another look at what I said, "...white, Hispanic, Asian, whatever, moderates constitute a much larger "bulk" of the Republican base than do white evangelicals."

The emboldened list is "grouped" and as such, constitute a much larger bulk than the 37% of white evangelicals you seem obsessed with.

It doesn't take anything more than basic math to understand that if your subset is 37% percent of a group, the balance of the group is 63%. Your link backs my assertion. I'm not sure why you're trying to twist the figures.

The rules are more than sufficient. No need for additional supervision, unless you plan to put that supervision in the public classroom, where the problems appear to be more prevalent.

Kansas decided to live within its budget. While some find that a preposterous plan - it's actually not a bad one.

 

Sure that is why more than 50 % of my fellow Catholics that I know are divorced, including me I am on my second marriage and the Church ok'ed it, pssst, you might want to learn about the Catholic church before claiming knowledge, lesson #1 divorce is not banned.

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Yes, that explains it.

 

So that should allow you plenty of room to agree with me when I note that , since 89% of the GOP is White, the 37% that are White evangelicals must far outnumber the 11% of the Party that is non-White.

That's a mathematical certitude.

Good luck with your Red State Model. It sounds as if its a fiscal disaster with its lowered bond ratings, prospects of huge deficits, desperate attemps to raise taxes, and failure to stimulate employment.

Common sense pragmatism trumps ideological dogmatism every time, but it's valuable to finally see the actual consequences of TP fiscal policy.

 

Yeah, it's always odd to hear this idea that the GOP can't attract new voters without losing the evangelical vote. What, do you think the Dems are going to pick it up? :rollseyes: Much like the socialists (defined broadly), the Democrats have their vote, and they can (*)(*)(*)(*) on them, and the GOP still won't pick up their vote.

 

There are many reasons for divorce. It's not surprising to me that the group who gets married more often is more likely to get divorced, so no, I don't see that as hypocritical at all. You can believe in marriage and end up not marrying the right person. Whereas liberals are more likely to hop from bed to bed with no commitments, since they don't believe as much in marriage.

 

70% of same sex marriages end in divorce under seven years??
Yes.
There are reports on this: