The Gov won't save our nation? The Gov is going to bail out FLorida

Yes, they are.

And they are not. No government in the world today is entirely socialist OR capitalist. Both are Unknown Ideals and always have been

Here is the way the world really is (and we've all seen this)

 

Government administered disaster relief

is socialism

however, payments made to individuals, and

are transfer payments

1. Disaster relief fund isn’t socialism; Agree

Also, DRF isn’t a redistribution of income/wealth, due to the fact that Uncle Sam’s tax revenue barely offset our mandatory expenditures.

2. Fire/police departments isn’t socialism, both economically/GDP, and structurally; Argumentative

 

True……Republicans have often overstated what’s socialism

Economically, who OWNS the means needed to produce both good and services, for example; NASA?

Answer; U.S. Government

And for your info, a Disaster Relief FUND isn’t socialism.

 

Argumentative.

Who OWNS the means needed to produce both goods and services?

 

True and false!

Who OWNS the means needed to produce both goods and services?

Also, many government social services/programs are administered and/or delivered by private entities, such as Medicare, and for said reason/other reasons/complexities, it is very difficult to determine our level of socialism in the U.S. “to its nearest degree”, both federal/State/Local governments combined.

Make matter worse, among republicans and democrats, there isn’t a consensus that defines socialism.

 

Apparently disaster relief = Socialism now? Checks notes: Nope Socialism is an economic system. Disaster relief is just a normal part of government function. **** even tin pot dictators realize they have to clean **** up after disasters.

 

And how does that pertain to the USPS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Quote; “Yet I still believe the government screwed up with SS”

I absolutely agree, and here’s why;

Back in the mid 1990’s, when both Republicans and Democrats were just arguing about reforming SS, the Canadian Government/LIBERAL Government chartered an in-house money management entity/Quasi-entity, and since 1997, their SS portfolio, both stocks/bonds/real estate/toll roads and other world/wide investments has increased to near $500 billion in ASSETS, whereas in the U.S., our SS Trust Fund equates to a $3 trillion LIABILITY/Intragovernmental Debt.

Example; Who owns the American retailer Petco?

Answer; Surprisingly, 50% owned by Canadian SS contributors/retirees.

 

If a disaster relief fund equates to socialism, then our three rounds of Covid stimulus checks equates to socialism.

However, “economically”, a government relief PAYMENT, refundable or not, isn’t socialism due to the fact that relief funds mainly purchase goods and services that are produced and delivered by private entities…….nor a redistribution of income/wealth due the fact that Uncle Sam’s tax revenues have barely offset our mandatory expenditures.

However, structurally, one may argue that the administrators/government employees/Agency who process and transfer the relief payments is socialism.

 

It's an old ploy by leftist to conflate two separate issues and then try to pull a gotha that if you support one you can't oppose the other.

I have been through numerous hurricanes sustaining damage and outages and the only thing I got from the federal government was a few MRE's.

 

Once again, among Republicans and Democrats, there isn’t a consensus that simply defines socialism, and for said reason, a majority of PF members will keep arguing and disagreeing.

If we were to define capitalism as;

1. Private ownership of the means needed to produce goods and services

Then, what’s socialism?

Here’s my example of socialism; NASA, due to the fact that the means needed to produce goods and services is government owned, and for anyone’s info, NASA’s patents are often sold/licensed to private entities, thus, do generate government revenues.

 

For your info, Disaster Relief is classified as discretionary spending, and the taxes Uncle Sam has collected over the last several years have barely offset Mandatory Spending & Net Interest.

Thus, who’s money?

Mainly borrowed money, thus, not even a redistribution of income/wealth.

 

Where you said that non-profit healthcare means doctors work for free.

 

And you pointed to VA doctors as a supposed example of non-profit doctors. Not knowing that they make 200k+ per year.

 

Your the one that thinks that non profit healthcare means doctors work for free, your wrong.

 

Not really…..

Once again, over the last several years, the taxes Uncle Sam collected barely offset Mandatory Expenditures and Net Interest, and a Disaster Relief fund is classified as a discretionary expenditure.

 

Again, where did I say that? Quote the post.

 

Cybred said: ↑
Sorry but healthcare should not be for-profit.

Kal'Stang said: ↑
So doctors should provide their services for free? Just enough to cover the bills and never advance or have enough to improve living situations? Guess we should all provide their living accommodations and only give them what they need to survive? How about paying for their bills for lawsuits also? How much of their life do you want to control just because you think healthcare should not be "for-profit"? What person would live the life you want for them when they can just go and learn something else that will give them a better life than what you want for doctors?

 

You brought up that workers would br paid very little, and when challenged with facts against your baseless claims, you run away.

No thanks, not going to chase.

 

You really don't have anything left to contribute.

It's must be terrible to have a political agenda that is so shallow and poorly thought out, this is your response.

 

Did you see the question marks? They look like this: "?" Pay attention more.

 

At least you're finally being honest about the communist agenda.

 

Ya'll brought up the wall first so I just replied.

 

It is the left that is killing capitalism. Certainly you have surmised that by now. It is intentional and obvious.

 

Most hospitals in US are non-profit and they pay their doctors very well. Cleveland Clinic and Mayo Clinic which are among the best hospitals in the nation are non-profit. Of course they still charge the insurance companies and collect money to collect revenue, and they pay their employees and invest money on equipment and real estate. Also, non-profits CAN generate profit, which is invested in their cash reserves, but they cannot distribute its profits to any private individual.

A paycheck is not profit. Its actually the opposite of profit, - its an expense.