The group of people that I simply cant understand

I couldn’t have been any clearer. It’s not my fault you read what you THINK is being posted instead of what is ACTUALLY posted. You’re not the only one who does it. Seems to be a common thing among certain types of people

 

Anybody can read a book. Even Original Sinners in Nexus Six with Zardoz and the incorrigibles.

 

Your animal that raped and killed a 9 year old girl was once a baby, so that is what it could become.

The State seizing control of wombs from the instant a microscopic, mindless entity appears there is morally repugnant.

Rather, until an actual person has developed during gestation, respect for the privacy of the woman in making her decisions, in consultation with her loved ones as well as medical and spiritual advisers as she deems appropriate, is the policy that advanced societies favor over allowing politicians to dictate.

Once the woman's right is surrendered to the State, politicians can order abortions as well as prohibit them.

 

You claim to be an atheist or an agnostic; as such, what can be your possible motivation in preserving the life of a sadistic child killer whose only contribution to society is the potential future threat of loss of life of even more innocent victims. . . . I have seen repeat offenders of capital crimes MANY times in my lifetime, and I would bet that most of the killings happening in prisons are committed by inmates already serving life sentences for murder.

I most adamantly support death sentences for those committing the most heinous killings, who are incapable of feeling empathy or remorse; is the execution of a soulless creature, which would actually be in the best interests of society, really an immoral and unjust act of a democratic government?

 

Geez. I tried to tell you. I see capital punishment as a concession to them, a stance of weakness and impotence. I am trying to preserve the moral integrity of the country from our more animalistic instincts.. Don't you see you are empowering these lowlife murderous scum to degrade the moral authority of an entire nation. Every time a government kills a killer, it gets a little further away from its highest mission of justice to grab at retribution . It lowers itself to wrestle in blood and stains the nations humanity with it. Capital punishment makes the differences in moral stature between the convict who acts out of revenge and the nation that does so - seem a little more foggy . Those criminals get to diminish all of us and you give them that power.. .

 

This is brilliant. Exactly right imo.

 

That is a cop out. No one should decide whether a life lives or dies. That puts you in the "pro-abortion" slot.

 

Try to think of it this way. that fetus has someone chosen to act as its power of attorney for medical decisions, already defined by the law. It is the woman's who's body it shares whether the woman decides to abort, or not, to have a caesarian or not, or to have a genetic test done using its spinal or embryotic fluid, or a intraunatal surgery performed, is her call. She gets to decide what is in the interest of that fetus at her complete discretion until the third trimester when that power of attorney is modified.

 

Absolutely right. This is spot on.

 

Nobody is arguing the legal right a woman has to get an abortion. It's a question of morals, and as the OP pointed out, it's seemingly a question of an unprincipled moral. Just like it's legal to execute people who have been given the death penalty, it's also legal for a woman to kill her unborn baby.

Yet how can people say that legally killing person A is okay, but legally killing person B is not okay.

Back in the day, it was legal to do all sorts of terrible things. There was good ol' breaking on the wheel, or flensing from the head to heel, Crucifixion, or burning witches at the stake. All quite legal, yet they are things that we no longer do because people challenged the morality of what the state did. I know that lefties looooooove them some state power, and the bigger the government, the better the government. It doesn't surprise me when lefties say things like "Kill the baby before it's even born!!!!" but what does surprise me is how they point to the state as a reason for the state to exercise it's authority.

Circular logic is something that even kids kinda understand is stupid.

 

Alrighty then... Usually you make sense... but it is late and... the weekend...

 

Which part doesn't make sense?

 

Things are black and white, or better yet simply right or wrong. Why be muddle headed about things.

 

If life was black and white then everyone would agree on pretty much everything.

 

I have to say you deserve credit for this post. That is the best argument for the "pro choice" side. There are many issues the government should stay out of. It should not be used to engineer society.

 

So the power of attorney comes with the right to end the life of your client? Is death ever in the best interest of a client?

 

dairyair said: ↑
I am not pro abortion, but I am also pro choice.
We don't know all circumstances on why an abortion would be wanted. No one should tell another how they have to live their life.

So you skip right over the main issue , women's right to their own body, as if it isn't very important....but it is


Pro-Choicers believe the decision is up to the one who is pregnant, NOT the Big Government , not nosy busy bodies who think the world should revolve around them and how they feel.




YES, a woman has the right to determine what is going to happen to her own body, a right YOU enjoy but obviously don't want for others.

 

That sure isn't a very logical comment.

 

I imagine sometimes it is....

 

This is not a fallacy. That is complete uneducated BS. Of course Abortion refers to a zygote - we have bills introduced by religious right legislators claiming that the zygote is a "Homo sapiens"

Don't blame me that you did not distinguish between the various stages of pregnancy. You used the term Abortion - which refers to "ALL" abortion .. including abortion in the early stages of pregnancy.

You were the one that committed the fallacy (assumed premise) by your inferred claim that a "baby" defacto exists at all stages of pregnancy.

 

lol. why insist on a "work or die" ethic, right wingers.

 

Those who take the lives of others out of revenge are not likely to face the death penalty. It is reserved in most cases for those whose heinous actions prove him or her beyond rehabilitation and likely to take the lives of others indiscriminately if given the chance.

Furthermore, it is not an out-of-control government who decides the fate of the perpetrators, but an elected judge and a randomly selected group of jurors. WE as voters are empowered to validate OR invalidate the legitimacy of capital punishment.

As long as these individuals are alive, the security of ANY and ALL of our citizens cannot be guaranteed. . . . Allowing them to live puts ALL of us at risk.

Protecting those who commit atrocities DEFINITELY is not a deterrent; when the guilty are considered more of a protected species than the innocent, government is not working.

Seems like your argument is not that capital punishment is unjust, but that government should not be empowered to make the determination. . . . Is government's decision to COMPLETELY abolish it not equally controlling?

 

Source? How many? Enough to justify murdering 3 million babies a year? Are you saying that all abortions are due to this reason? Are you saying that these women don’t have other avenues to use when dealing with abuse spouses? Sounds like horseshit.

 

No "babies" are "murdered" in abortion.

Women do NOT need justification to get an abortion.

NO, I did NOT say all abortions are due to this reason.

They have other avenues and abortion is one of them, it's THEIR choice, NO one else's.

Sounds like you have never been in an abusive relationship and have no understanding of, nor compassion for, those who are.