I am puzzled by Willreadmore's attacks on me and why he persists in non factual posts about me. Attack the issue. Leave my name out of your petty nonsense.
I don't have a motive against you - I'm here to promote a truthful report and understanding of a serious issue and to advocate that we focus on solutions.
This is a problem that does impact CA. And, it impacts our nations as well as the world as a whole. Our DoD points to climate change as a serious national security issue.
Hell, i do not specialise in naming you as being a dumbsmack. . Why can't you be constructive and end your attacks. Then you deny attacks. Amazing. Look When you quit attacking America, and praising China, you may be close to dealing with issues. As I told you previously, China was far back of us not long ago. It leads the world in Carbon Dioxide emissions. They could have taken action in 2000. But you praise them. After knowing they have rapidly passed us and more.
If you you believe CA climate is changing, I have something to offer you cheap. Can you explain the climate change in Death Valley, that does not exist?
i have yet to read one of your posts that has a solution that does not crash the economy of the USA. But you excuse China. For gods sake why? Hell i welcome so called solutions from other posters. Solution away.
I haven't "excused" China. Ever. I have not proposed ANYTHING that has a remote chance of crashing our economy. I have not attacked you - only specific mistakes in posts I see.
Look Willreadmore, your posts read like a smarmy attack on me. Now you deny making excuses for China. And you do not show us proposals, just attacks on me, on Curry and on people I bring to this table to discuss. And you call my comments mistakes. I call yours gross mistakes. You think this is about me. Mistake number one. Here is a GROSS lie you tell against me. LIe? Robert does not understand climate. Robert does not understand Weather. Robert confused the two. Why tell that lie to this forum?
Actually had you proposed good solutions,. I could have even agreed with you Willreadmore. Didn't you attack me for saying it would be great to have a greener earth? One of the left attacked me.
Your post to which I responded demonstrated that problem. You said, "It shows that Temps increased by .8 C so far and by 2020 we will see from 1.2 to 3.9 C change. As you will come to expect, the range is not narrow, but broad. Still the broadest change won't hurt the SF Bay Area one bit. We see ranges daily that far eclipse those changes. We have to keep in mind this too. This says it could continue to warm, not that it is guaranteed to warm." You compared weather changes to climate changes. That's a mistake. My post gave two examples of how climate change can impact the biology of Earth even if the amount of change isn't as much as the changes in the weather we experience.
Hell no. When alarmists scream about climate change, and the change is that small, where is their proof of serious harm? Demonstrate to me harm in an area that you blame climate change on. PLEASE do not insult my intelligence by saying at the North pole. Ice does melt. But when it melts it is not proof of damage. You label my argument and yet you are still confused about my observations and point. It is not my fault you did not want to try to get it. My weather point really only amounts to a tiny part of climate. When a person promises me harm but never explains it, I worry they do not get it. At all. As to climate harming biology, in what way? And how important is that anyway?
Let me try harder to establish a point. We in the SF bay area may die should we have the climate of Death Valley. But frankly I have been to Death valley yet never died. I managed to survive easily. If 4 degrees hotter will harm me, how did i manage to survive Death Valley? I can truthfully tell you that in a fairly short span, I went from around 80 degrees to over 110 degrees. I missed out on a super hot day in Death Valley I suppose. But there it gets up to 125 in the Summer. People still live there. I was 30 degrees hotter. Not merely 4 degrees.
I wasn't trying to convert you or whatever. I simply identified a problem in a post and attempted to correct that problem. And, I gave you TWO examples of harm that can come (and is coming) from climate change in that response I made. Again, I wasn't trying to address the whole issue of climate change, but I did want to show a couple cases of climate change having an impact even though the amount of change is less than the change we see in daily weather.
Look if you recall, they tried to tell me that when a butterfly flaps its wings in Mexico, it impacts on my life. But they never proved it. I simply do not recall your post over a small change. Can you please name the post by post number. i do so want you to stop the attacks. What you seem to be telling me is you have a very minor change proving harm to something on earth. I think that could be demonstrated on Fish. But I was not saying Fish are not harmed by slight changes to water temperature.
Climate change isn't about killing you with heat. It's about causing changes to earth's biosphere, sea level, etc. such that the impacts are expensive in terms of national security, food, economy, etc. Again, let's remember that climate change isn't about the temperature extremes felt in Death Valley (or anywhere else) on a daily cycle. Lucky for us, we aren't dependant on agriculture or sea level when we're in Death Valley - plus, almost nobody lives in the region. Let's remember that climate change can cause certain weather patterns to persist, become more frequent or more severe and those patterns can be problematic. So for example, there are studies of the post-Iraq war in Syria which identify the extended drought as being a significant factor in the regional violence there are people had to move to find food and government wasn't capable of resolving the resulting issues. Scientists say the drought was worsened due to climate change. That's another example of how climate change can impact us, as it left a few million people moving - something we're not prepared to deal with. I'd point out that Dr. Curry agrees that the impact of climate change on water is a serious issue. This is one reason why.
Here is how you prove those claims. With concrete examples here in the USA. Syria is an example of war forcing populations to move. Not climate changes. Buddy you are chatting to a former board of directors director who was warning my fellow directors of the economical problem with our CA water system. I warned we must develop more reservoirs. I made my points without making it about climate change. Had I told my fellow Directors it was climate change, i would have been escorted out of the meeting room by their laughter.
My first response today, where I mentioned a couple examples, is #737. I gave a link to a specific problem. Another such link covering pest issues along with several others is in this link.
The multi-year drought in Syria was a significant causal factor in the wars there. Their failing agriculture caused millions of people to move in toward the cities. Government was not able to answer the need. The result made the population far more susceptible to revolution and terrorist violence. The government responded with war - even including bombing their own civilian population.
OK. But, I'd point out that you are STILL laughing. I agree there is a learning curve here. Unfortunately, our American population is averse to being informed by science.
This part of your lecture. Don't you believe that it is not climate but weather that forces you to look at those individual weather conditions? I wonder today if you truly understand weather. See my training has been in Weather. Yet i never insulted you over your lack of weather understanding. Say the temps changed radically and persisted, that defines a large climate change. Give you an example. We once had a massive glacier over our own nation that extended not only to new york city area, but even in Yosemite Valley here in CA. A number of changes happened and the glaciers could melt and later return. Over the long haul, it benefitted boty Yosemite and New York by warming and melting off. So warming does help. Want more? use the Great lakes. We know climate changed since the lakes became obvious and today are a marvelous addition to our economy and changed things so you can enjoy a nice summer. Let me be more clear.; Though you talk of gloom and doom, never have you offered any concrete examples to support your own fear. if men survive in cold areas and hot areas, they have a strong tendency to handle it.; I recall for instance of the severe cold at Amsterdam in the Netherlands when I was there. It was so damned cold it set records. Nobody was blaming man for it being severely cold. Now do you understand? What this reminds me of is I ought to check the cold of that time and years after i left Amsterdam. If you are right, it never got that cold since.
That is news to me. So now if it gets that hot, we will see a revolution and you get to prove it by showing where else it got hot and it caused a revolution. Take the dance floor.
I've given you a good number of concrete examples. You have disputed none of them. I'm not talking "gloom and doom" - I'm pointing out issues that we need to work on. Remember that you keep quoting Curry - and Curry agrees with ME on that. You are still confusing climate and weather.
Let's forget the summer of Amsterdam, lets see the records of cold. I was there for the Winter of 1962 and man it was cold. What can we make of the coldest spring this Century. We can make that the change is slight. About .7 of a degree warmer. Still let's see you have fun there at 7.4. https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/the-netherlands/dutch-weather Coldest spring ever The coldest spring recorded by the KNMI (Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute) in the Netherlands since 1706 was the spring of 1962, with an average temperature of 6,7C. Looking at the top 10, the coldest springs occurred at the beginning of the second half of the 20th century. The coldest spring in this century took place in 2013 with an average of 7,4C. Year Lowest average temperature (°C) 1. 1962 6,7 2. 1955 6,8 3. 1917 6,9 4. 1958 7,0 5. 1941 7,0 Source: KNMI
