The irony in the case for masking kids.

Vaccine is not stopping the spread, in fact mask and whatever else you wish to parade around, bottom line is COVID is still as of Aug 27 the leading cause of death in the U.S.! So clearly something is seriously wrong with our current approach to all this..

 

Failure to see the whole picture.. Typical leftwing talking point, well to your credit DRC African propaganda..

 

If the government and media are claiming that COVID is still the leading cause of death here, that is only because they are manipulating hell out of the data, as they have been doing since the start, as reported by Sharyl Attkisson and others.

Garbage in = garbage out.

Scamdemic.

 

Absolutely! You see how hard they DNC are pushing now! So obvious, you can only suppress disinformation so long and in this case the LONGER the richer the vaccine and their stockholders get

Oddly J&J NOW feels the need to administer a BOOSTER, my-my WHY? Oh I'm sure there is some silly reason that they feel it might be the best thing for their bottom line, oh wait, for we the the cash cow or lemmings, I welcome folks to choose their own labels

I think forcing the lil Children is going to be the straw in all this! Time will tell though..

 

See post #63.

 

I didn't argue with your fact filled graph I simply asked you what the graph represents concerning COVID, SPREAD, MASKS and Children and adults alike.. It's really not a political discussion "So to speak" and more of a is the VACCINE working and if so why are Children being forced to mask up?

 

You have it backwards. In the case of abortion, a death occurs in 100% of the cases. The risk of covid is extremely low for children and healthy people.

 

Asked and answered. The masks and vaccines are effective against COVID's spread. Pro-COVID Repubs, as illustrated in post #63, work against mask and vaccine effectiveness against COVID's spread. It ain't rocket science.

 

No there not, almost 300k have died under Biden and that's with the vaccine and masks.. So just what exactly is the vaccine accomplishing? Mask clearly haven't lowered the death rate or contagion rate from covid, in fact in some countries like Israel it higher after vaccine..

 

The data is clear. Masks and vaccines work. As always, you will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.

 

FYI, little kids are immune to COVID.

 

Tell that to government not to me. It was they that launched the hysteria and paid for it. I am paying for the unintended consequences of government meddling in the economy. Product shortages are hurting my business quite a lot.

 

No, I listen to private sector doctors, not government. They don't offer the same science. I'm surprised you don't know that.

 

No they aren't unless they get a vaccine or an infection lauching the antibodies. However they do have the immune systems of youth and the Covid doesn't have much of a change against them.

 

Again wrong there isn't a bit of scientific evidence to support the idea that masks stop viruses or even slow them down and the more contagious the disease the less effective masks are.

 

Any parent that doesn't try to give their children every protection he or she can to try to avoid them contracting Covid, should never have had children.

 

What? I support totalitarianism? I've said over and over, including in a new thread I started earlier today, that I'm against mandates. So how in the hell do you figure I support totalitarianism? And for your information, I'm not a leftist.

I'm a medical scientist (MD/PhD) and I've worked with vaccines for almost 40 years, so, yes, I defend these vaccines given that their benefits far outweigh their risks. I also believe that the right kinds of masks worn the right way can decrease (not eliminate) the odds of contagion, and I showed here a meta-analysis showing a reduction in relative risk by 82% (all studies in this meta-analysis were done with coronaviruses). You of course had the knee jerk of thinking "guy supports vaccines and masks, therefore must support vaccine and mask mandates, therefore must be a leftist, therefore must be for totalitarianism." The only correct part of this, is that I support vaccines and masks, in virtue of my profession rather than in any partisan way (by the way, I'm independent, unaffiliated, and abhor both parties).

I also support school boards' local decisions about masks, and do not support that a governor might ban them from implementing the local measures they feel fit (a rather conservative concept is that big government should not trample local decisions).

As a medical scientist I also support evidence (as per my signature), so you having the OPINION that the increase in suicides among teenagers is because of masks, is not evidence. Show me a study with sound methodology indicating that, and I'll listen. But just your unsubstantiated opinion, sorry but no can do.

Before you post labeling someone a leftist totalitarian, you might have an interest in taking a good look at the person's posting history.

Just yesterday I posted against the 14th amendment, anchor babies, and illegal immigration, and also in another thread earlier today, like I said, I posted against vaccine mandates. If you were paying any attention you'd know that I'm not a leftist. But of course a good knee-jerk reaction is fun, eh? (Not!).

 

No it isn't, sorry you can't or don't choose to see the facts objectively

 

A woman aborts her fetus/baby and it is her fetus/baby that isn't born. One termination/death depending on your point of view. Another insists that her child goes to school mask-less and not inoculated and soon it's all the kids in the classroom now endangered by her choice. The masks are most efficient at stopping the virus from spreading from the wearer to others and less so the other way around. She is choosing that the children of others are to be put at risk and there is no debate, these are living, trusting human beings. She is deciding the risks for other parents and their children. That is why in a month or two most schools will be requiring the vaccination of kids to attend school, just as they do for measles, and those that refuse can home school or sign wavers at private schools that allow them saying they are not responsible for any transmission of the virus, no refunds. Sadly, many innocent children will get gravely ill, even die, because their parents want to make a point. Most private schools will also require the vaccinations and those that don't are in it to make as much money as quickly as they can before getting shut down by outbreaks.

 

The numbers are not in your favor concerning covid death among the young! If it's that concerning to parents they can simply home school as they did in 2020 and much of 2021.. What you think we live in Africa

 

Given that how much they out way the risk is a function of age cohort and other factors including previously having had covid. A one size fits l approach is at best contraindicated. Did you not catch the blatant lie told by our newest bureaucrat about covid and those with natural immunity?

 

Wrong argument. If that were iron clad truth then the last thing on earth you should do is take your kid to the hospital if he or she contracts covid because he or she inspire of the regimens in place to prevent covid spread is as likely to get covid there as anywhere else

 

what exactly are you intentionally trying to do when you "take off a mask?" cause trouble for the poor waiter or stewardess who has to enforce company policy?

i think you are attempting to impose your party's misguided "herd immunity" theory as opposed to longstanding principles of public health.

 

Death is not the only consequence of a COVID infection. It's not binary. Even those who survive can be left with serious lasting health effects. Several kids from my daughter's soccer team have had it and some of them are still not able to compete at their previous level even months after being sick. They have to take breaks, and be switched in and out much more often. They have breathing and fatigue issues. And those are just the effects that are evident to someone like me who only knows as much as I can glean about them from the soccer field.

Now I'll agree that the same general political side pushing the vaccines right now don't have a great track record as your last sentence kind of illustrates, but that doesn't make them wrong about this one.

 

more white flags at this commemoration of covid dead than at the vaunted biggest of all time trump inauguration.