The Jews as "God's Chosen." What, exactly, does it mean?

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  1. J0NAH

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    You dont need to reply to me, it was kind of rhetoric. Besides that, dont respond again please, im not interested in your brain, if you have one that is. Sincerely, dont respond, laymen.
     
  2. Bishadi

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    So the jewish and christians are actually roman?

    But more are now muslim, why is that?

    Only?
    Arab mean nomadic

    Israel is in palestine
     
  3. J0NAH

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    I think you need to edit that some more so it makes sense.

    p.s dont respond, thanks.
     
  4. Giftedone

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    I'm not sure why you are telling me this as nothing you have posted contradicts anything I have said.
     
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    Constantine commissioned Eusebius to put the Bible together around 320-330 AD. So most of the stories were probably written prior to that time.

    It is true that religious forgery was the rule rather than the exception, and given the amount of alterations that we know occurred after the first Bible was put together who knows what occurred prior.
     
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    its a fact.

    sorry if you hate facts.
     
  7. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Technically God didn't give Moses the Law. God only gave Moses the Ten Commandments on stone tables and he had to do that twice.

    Acts 7:52-53 (CEV) = [SUP]"52 [/SUP]Is there one prophet that your ancestors didn’t mistreat? They killed the prophets who told about the coming of the One Who Obeys God. And now you have turned against him and killed him. [SUP]53 [/SUP]Angels gave you God’s Law, but you still don’t obey it."

    Moses generally gets credit for writing the first five books so he wrote about his own death and burial in Deuteronomy chapter 34. That guy was simply amazing.
     
  8. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I apologise.:( I should have made it clear this was simply a reply to something Wyrd of Gawd posted about early Bibles. I agree with what you said.
     
  9. J0NAH

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    Whats a fact?
     
  10. Bishadi

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    the story shares that the first time 'god' gave moses the commands, that he broke them and then killed 3k people.

    kind of weird aint it?

    heck, i am here and the sobs still want to fight. ie... some of the idiots on this globe, can't read the 'laws' or the 'prophecies', even when in writing, and claimed to be by 'god'
    funny aint it. Especially knowing that 'he' was dead, before anything of torah, ever was put to writing. What i crack up on, is the 10 commands were supposedly on stone tablets. Could you imagine the caravan it would take to move torah on stone tablets?

    The other item that i crack up on, is egyptians had the 'laws' on stone tablets at the entrance of their cities, why does the torah condemn egypt so bad, when their laws, their circumcision, even the kosher eating is egyptian?

    Heck, jerusalem and the whole of canaan/syria was egyptian held, during any period of exodus (see the amarna tablets as proof positive).

    How can the people of judaism have such a distaste for the people that gave them their religious foundations?
     
  11. trevorw2539

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    Briefly.

    After ruling Palestine and Syria for a long time the Hittitite Empirecame along. The Egyptian and Hittite nations had a running series of conquests and defeats over the land of Palestine and Syria for a long time. In the end they both realised the impossibility of holding territories and came to an agreement. So who actually held Syria on a permanent basis around the time of the Exodus - depending on when, and if, the Exodus actually occurred. Kadesh Peace Treaty set the Hittites finally in control of Syria. We know this by a 'stele'found in an Egyptian Temple and stone tablets found in the Hittite capital city of Hattusa. The Hittites eventually lost Syria to the Assyrians, and the Egyptians found themselves in trouble with the warlike 'sea people' on their north/west borders.
    Some small city/states were independently ruled, though the rulers gave honour to the Egyptians. One way was to give a daughter in marriage to Pharaoh, poor man.

    Caravans for the 10 commandments? Many ancient stone tablets carry this amount of information on 1-2 easily managed tablets. It wasn't the Torah that was given, just 10 commandments.
     
  12. Bishadi

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    I consider ahkanatans schism within egypt to monotheism as 'exodus'

    in turkey

    Perhaps that is why women is so important to what zionist consider the "lineage".
    24 And it cometh to pass, when Moses finisheth to write the words of this law on a book till their completion,

    25 that Moses commandeth the Levites bearing the ark of the covenant of Jehovah, saying,

    26 `Take this Book of the Law, and thou hast set it on the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, and it hath been there against thee for a witness;
     
  13. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Every time the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews got in trouble they hightailed it to Egypt. Even Jesus went to ground there. But they were always bad-mouthing Egypt.
     
  14. trevorw2539

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    Perhaps that is why women is so important to what zionist consider the "lineage".

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    Exodus 34: 28-29 'And he wrote upon the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. And it came to pass when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the 2 tablets of testimony in Moses hand......'
    Deut.5:22 'These words spake the Lord unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud and the thick darkness, with great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them on 2 tablets of stone, and delivered them unto me.

    The Law of God -10 commandments. The Law of Moses - the rest.

    Akhenatens? - Exodus? - That's rather stretching things a bit. If so that didn't last long.
     
  15. Bishadi

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    Exodus 34;
    27 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `Write for thyself these words, for, according to the tenor of these words I have made with thee a covenant, and with Israel.'

    28 And he is there with Jehovah forty days and forty nights; bread he hath not eaten, and water he hath not drunk; and he writeth on the tables the matters of the covenant -- the ten matters.

    Deut 5;
    22 `These words hath Jehovah spoken unto all your assembly, in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness -- a great voice; and He hath not added, and He writeth them on two tables of stone, and giveth them unto me.

    who wrote what?
    One has evidence, the other is story telling
    both are a schism
    both are to monotheism
    both wander the desert
    both provided commands in stone

    Even the temple has the same holee of holees and the ratio of size to the construction of the temple. (Amarna is a location that ahkenatan had build after his exodus from thebes)

    Ahkenatan has real world evidence to substantiate his existence as he was.
     
  16. trevorw2539

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    Can't see your point about the 'Laws' and commandments.

    According to the Bible Moses brought 2 tablets down from Sinai. These contained the 10 commandments. The rest of the laws are the same as various nations round about followed - food, health etc.

    I agree with you regarding the similarities between the Hebrew and Egyptian religions etc.

    I only debate on what the Bible says, not necessarily what I believe.
     
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    My point on the last post, was found in the quotes from the bible. The exodus 34 version claims that moses wrote the 'words' on the tablets and the Deut 5 claims that 'god' (he) wrote them and gave them to moses.

    So the debate on the babbling, is ongoing.

    As for egypt, well it's pretty basic..... Moses (per bible) was born, in egypt, raised in pharaohs house and since magic is not an option, learned while in egypt (ie.... pharaoh held the knowledge of what is known within what is called 'the holy of holies'; the temple; the arks; the written 'word' and by observing the 'mountains' (pyramids) of egypt, we can all see that man can create, by the word and it is evidenced.

    i honor the evolution of knowledge as it is by the 'good' that mankind is learning about 'itself'.

    Be happy and enable truth to live in you.

    Nothing to worry about, if you remain true, fair and humble to learning.

    But to fight against me, is perhaps the single worst choice that any life could make.

    Keep reading and when you find something that you believe will assist our future, point it out to others and me. I would love another layer, with you as the founding contributer, for truth to live for tomorrow. "WE" are one in what is real, but few comprehend just how actual that reality truly is.

    I will give you my reason: For the children to have truth on the first pass; our future; life.

    It is that time.

    The end result will be the 'book of life' in which each can understand what is real as such an embodiment of truth, will be like an owners manual, that each will have when born.

    Is any of this post, 'good' within your very judgment? Would you want your children to experience 'truth' as absolute as possible, so that they can have the chance that you and I did not; truth on the first pass?

    As simple as it is, that is what i do, for life.
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Most bigots simply obsess that they are the pinnacle of creation and, as individuals, better than the entire rest of the human race. We worthless (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s don't even have the brains to see what useless pieces of offal we are and won't either just die and/or obey them in all things, so causing all the problems in the world, particularly their own. They find a few people who agree with this prodigal insight and neglect to mention that it's actually them who should be the Emperor of Humanity so they tend to clump together. All the rest is nothing but rationalization of this, or what passes for rationalization among them.

    I've found that Jews actually have less of this kind of person than most other groups I've met. Extended families tend to extricate the 2 year old persona out of you fairly early
     
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    I find that both presumptuous, arrogant and nonsense.
     
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    which part?

    I will assume that the bible contracting itself as to who wrote (on the tablets), the ten commandments and that is the nonsense that has made too many arrogant and the reliogious morons into the presumptuous
     
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    I have a quotation on this topic that might get you going in a productive avenue of research. The NDE of Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. is my all time favourite even though I have studied hundreds of them.


    http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html

     
  22. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    This is a classic zombie thread.
     
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    Aha yes…. I just noticed that the last post previous to mine was from way back in 2013! Sorry… .but I saw it at the bottom of my screen when I was replying to another discussion… and it looked kind of interesting!
     

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