The Killing of Patrick Lyoya

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The Killing of Patrick Lyoya - what do you think of it?

  1. it was not ok

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  2. it was ok

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  3. other

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah. You finally understand. Yup. Whew.. it took you awhile.
     
  2. notme

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    So much for your "Innocent people who have been legally stopped for a perfectly valid reason".
    You remain to show no facts about "They get chased, because someone running from an “innocent” license plate stop, is obviously not innocent." as well. There still are no facts to assume guilty. This matters since you're innocent until PROVEN otherwise. You obviously forgot how this works. You're obviously no American.

    And you did not respond to:
    "do NOT run from police."
    That's not a capital crime.
    It's not even a capital crime to punch a cop in the face.
    We saw cops show their upmost restraint when a heck of a lot of white people were doing that on jan the 6th.
    This cop showed no restraint at all when he jumped a black guy, putting himself in danger leading to executing his victim.

    The difference is massive on how cops approach white people and black people in the US. You're refusing to explain this massive difference. I take it you are forfeiting.
     
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  3. Lindis

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    Nobody wanted to wrestle any gun from that most stupid and incompetent cop.
     
  4. Get A Job

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    you should join a police department and straighten this all out. lol
     
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  5. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, lol. I thought you understood the 4th. Well, if you don’t, than I can see where you are coming from.

    Let's recap, shall we?

    FACT: Officer made a legal stop, due to an invalid license plate.
    FACT: Officer is already on edge because suspect gets out of the car. In the US, it is well known (if you have a DL,) that you NEVER get out of the car after being pulled over, unless instructed to do so.
    FACT: Officer had a right to ask suspect for ID
    FACT: Suspect ran from officer once asked for ID

    Now, where are we?
    FACT: Cop has no idea who this person is.
    FACT: Cop has no idea if the car is stolen.
    FACT: Cop has no idea what else this person is capable of, since he's already violated several well-known procedures for such an interaction with a LEO.

    Carrying on.

    FACT: Suspect ran away.
    FACT: Officer has a sworn duty to get this guy and figure out who he is before releasing him back to society. He has been given an abundance of probable cause
    FACT: Suspect fights LEO
    FACT: Suspect attempts to get LEO's weapon.

    Now, based on that

    FACT: LEO has literally no idea what suspect will do once he gets the taser. Suspect has been acting like he's high on drugs or guilty of a crime, or something, and has no clue

    So, question for you...

    LEO lets suspect get his taser. What happens next, in your opinion? Does the suspect help the LEO up and then they both have a good laugh? Highly unlikely.

    More likely: Suspect tasers LEO, takes his gun, badge and car, and heads out with his shiny new toys. Can you see how that can go wrong?

    Reality: A LEO has a SWORN duty to follow evidence where it leads.
     
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  6. Curious Always

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    If he didn’t want to, then why did he do it? Lol.
     
  7. notme

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    All good here.


    I told you before:
    You're focusing a 100% that the cop had to get himself out of danger.
    I am focusing how that incompetent piece of crap got himself into danger in the first place.
    There are a dime a dozen vids out there where cops are at a safe distance using their taser for the sake to not kill anybody.
    It starts to be rather obvious you can not explain why this cop went all yolo and DELIBERATELY put himself into danger.

    That's besides that cops in the US uses their upmost restraint to not shoot white people, even when they are assaulted.
    While this cop just blew the back of his black victims head off showing no kind of restraint at all.
    If you remain silent on this, I am going to consider that you are forfeiting on this as well.

    You are forfeiting by not responding to my arguments it's the cops fault.
     
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  8. Curious Always

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    It is literally his sworn duty to ensure this guy doesn’t get away. It’s literally the entire point of his job.

    Had he let this guy go without knowing anything about him, he likely would have been fired, and rightly so.
     
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    if police are going to let people go who have warrants issued by judges, what is the purpose of police.? Dems continue to make arguments to defund the police, it's become a big election issue.
     
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    I don’t think notme is an American. Most Americans understood this was valid. I am always highly suspicious when a cop kills during a seemingly routine traffic stop.

    This was completely justified.
     
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    if police are going to let people go who are attacking the Capitol and try to overturn the Constitution, what is the purpose of police?
     
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    Completely different situation. There, you had a sitting president ignoring requests for help.

    These two cases aren’t even in the same genre.
     
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    Sure.
    Point stands that there are a dime a dozen vids out there where cops use a taser to stop people from running away, after a clear command about how things are going to go down, from a safe distance. And you are forfeiting on the argument that this idiot wearing a badge did not do this, went all yolo, jumped his victim to DELIBERATELY put himself at risk, and so ends up placing the his weapon against the back of his victims skull and blow it off.

    You are also forfeiting that cops show far more restraint against white people, unlike what this cop did to this black person.
     
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    Why do you make such a fallacious and capacious statement? Do you know what is a lie of omission?


    Why do you make such a fallacious and capacious statement? Do you know what is a lie of omission?

    So you did not watch the videonof the criminal trying to grab control the officers weapon. Yes use of lethal force is normal with a criminal who is violently resisting arrest and fighting with an officer over their weapon. I would suggest you never do it andnif you are seeking justice then submit to the arrest and go and face it.
     
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    Thebobvious difference is how the persons being arrested react.
     
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    The obvious difference is whether the persons are black or white.
     
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    I know what you're omitting:
    How on earth this cop just went yolo and threw himself into a weird struggle on the ground with the victim. With that insane dumb action, he put himself into danger, and only got himself out of it by placing a gun to the back of the head of his victim to blow it off. You only emphasize that the cop has a right to get himself out of trouble, totally ignoring it's a total idiot who deliberately and needlessly put himself into that situation.

    Oh I saw countless vids of professions dealing with this kind of thing. They give warnings of what is about to go down, and use their taser at a safe distance to incapacitate their suspect in order to safely apprehend them. Not this idiot. There was no restraint that cops showed to the world they have when dealing with violent white people.

    It is not by accident I previously asked about police procedures. This "cop" clearly doesn't know what he is doing, and subsequently executed somebody by blowing of the back of a head. Seriously. This doesn't happen in normal western nations.
     
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    No it's how the person being arrested acts and whether they resist arrest and try to flee, THAT is the deciding factor. More Whites get killed by blacks every year and the numbers are miniscule and overwhelmingly justified.
     
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    No difference whatsoever, this was a totally justified shoot, black people are more violent and therefore the police are forced to react accordingly, the problem is not with the police, they do nothing wrong, but with African American society.

    Given how often they kill one another in huge numbers, it seems that's the case.

    Why would anyone deny something which is so obviously untrue?
     
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    You are again not responding and so conceding to:
    on this racist accusation and got no explanation why the predominantly white police force is acting to violently against black people which is totally not how they behave against whites.

    As was posted in my previous post
     
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    A fact that has been proven again and again.
    And the whole world knows it.
    It is ridiculous to deny it.
     
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    A cop that is being punched in the face can defend him/her self with deadly force if they believe it is necessary to prevent serious harm or death to themselves or others. They aren't trying to settle the scale of the offense, just bring the incident to a point a reasonable conclusion can be reached. That is difficult to impossible with someone who is totally out of control.
     
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    We saw lots of cops being seriously harmed during the jan the 6th. The entire assault by Trumps fascists was totally out of control. Yet only 1 shot was fired. That's where the bar is at for white people. The bar is somewhere totally else for black people. And I fail to see how this is somehow hard to compare. You give no arguments for this.

    That's besides there are countless of vids out there where a cop is standing at a safe distance, telling his suspect to submit or else get tasered, and then the taser is used if the suspects refuses to submit. This guy just jumped his suspect as the idiot he is. The cop was totally not provoked to do this / he deliberately chose to attack his suspect like this. With that, he put his own life at risk, and he got himself out of this, by executing his suspect by pushing his face in the mud while blowing off the back of the guys skull. I can not emphasize enough how this utter idiot of a cop's actions are totally not what a professional cop does. I specifically got a problem with that what is not defensible. And the result is that he had to execute his victim, which is totally not what the results are compared to professional cops. And this too is perfectly comparable.
     
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    Why are you focused on Jan 6? Cops were injured all that summer and the response from the left was cheering.
     
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    Even if that were true, and I’m not agreeing it is, but it even if you are 100% right, it wouldn’t be true in the case. This case is open and shut.
     

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