The Left, The Right. Both are necessary for a Civilization to thrive.

Is there anyone here that can see the good in both? Every forum or news feed I go its nothing but hate and vitriol.

But for my post, Im not referring to Democrats and Republicans. Those are Parties which tow the lines for votes. Im referring more to Psyche.

I've always believed that the Balance between the two is the recipe for success.

Conservatives rigid view makes for great Business men, Police Officers, Soldiers, Mathematicians. Basically any profession that requires a discipline and strict adherence to doctrine. The self-serving nature of Conservative mind is essential to nurture self-reliance for economic success. Theres a reason why most Conservatives are economically successful. That same rigidness and aversion to change prevents them from coming up with solutions to Dynamic situations in both the Social and Technological spheres. Thats where Liberals come in.

Liberals, free from constrained doctrine, make for great Artists and Innovators. That ability to be unshackled by the Idea that the 'old ways are the best ways' have lead to great advances both socially and technologically. Its not by chance that new emerging Industries are born out of the minds of Liberals, for example the Tech Industries coming out of California. Seeing beyond what we have to create what we need. Their self-less nature is also just as crucial for society as the self-serving nature of Conservatives where people put others before themselves, like Care-takers or teachers.

I would hate to live in a Society where everyone is just out for themselves just as much as I would despise a society where individual drive isn't rewarded.

In the end, the way I look at it is that Liberals create the change that society needs to move forward and Conservatives keep society from changing to fast. Changing to fast is just as bad as not changing at all if your goal to progress beyond where we are now. To far Left or Right are two sides of the same coin. Bad for everyone.

 

Both have their uses, but we don't need nearly as many progressives as we currently have. The glut of homeless and other assorted useless layabouts (they're pretty much 99.999% lefties from what I have been able to glean from them) proves that there are far more than necessary to meet our needs. I'd say a 10/90 percent of progressives/conservatives would be optimal. Just enough to remind us that granola and sandals have their uses, but not too many that there are hordes of sandal wearing feral vegans roaming in packs demanding free safe spaces and cuddle puppies.

 

both should always err on the side of individual rights, individual liberty, and economic freedom

never the case with one, and often not the case with the other.

 

Well we do need at least 25% of the leftness. Got to have victims and the waiting to happen victim status. Just sayin.

 

I have some conservative values and beliefs along with some progressive values and beliefs, so I must agree with you. I think your point is valid and insightful. But don't expect the hyper left and right of our times to agree with you. They are both "locked in" and cannot see anything other than their own conditioning, in most cases.

I could always relate a lot to Ike. He had many traditional values, but he also agreed with the progressives who created social security for our old people. He was a helluva general and a good president, IMO. But he didn't like extremism, left or right, from what I can tell.

Ideally when you have both the left and the right, by compromise you end up somewhere in the middle. Going too far either left or right will always create problems, IMO. And yet we will never get rid of the right or the left. But some people want to get rid of the other side. You will see them on this thread. Easy to predict.

 

Closer to the Heart
Rush


And the men who hold high places
Must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality
Closer to the heart
Closer to the heart

The blacksmith and the artist
Reflect it in their art
They forge their creativity
Closer to the heart
Yes closer to the heart

Philosophers and plowmen
Each must know his part
To sow a new mentality
Closer to the heart
Yes closer to the heart, yeah, oh

Whoa whoa
You can be the captain
And I will draw the chart
Sailing into destiny
Closer to the heart

 

I do have to disagree with this. Those tech bros from silicon valley are not "progressives". I know several, and I know their basic type. They are boys with toys in a highly competitive field. The problem is that it's also very lucrative, which naturally attracted the progressives, just as capitalism attracts socialists. You don't really see too many socialists get together and try to build their socialist utopia from the ground up. They look for a host that can support them in a manner that they believe they are entitled to.

When they do try, it usually ends in something like this (thanks Sargon!)
http://fortune.com/2016/12/12/michigan-marxist-vegan-restaurant-closes/

 

What we don’t need is the extremes from either side. Have no use for either.

 

Ain't that the truth. Extremism is a mental illness. Only the mentally ill hold extreme positions, IMO.

 

This is like saying that life would be wonderful if not for war. Armies assemble and march off to the front in times of war, so why is there war?

 

No...it’s really not

 

Yes, it really is. There is no need for extremism on one side unless it's coming from the other. So who threw the first punch?

 

Interestingly I feel just the opposite.

I think that the right...while occasionally having good ideas or intentions is generally wrong and that the left is far more on the right track.

That said , unchecked...the left can go too far and needs the balance of the right to pull it back in line

There's definitely a balance

 

The only reason we need any liberals around at all is to be an example of how utterly f****d up their policies are so we can learn not to do that again.

Lest we forget.

 

But who needs who? Does the right need the left? I'm not seeing it, which is why we don't push for these wealth redistribution schemes. The left needs the right.

I see it as a parasite/host situation, and honestly, I don't think dogs need fleas.

 

You’re confused. You clearly don’t get what I was referring to.
I was referring to how the Right has people who have extremist views about how things should be. Just like the Left have their extremists regarding their views. Has nothing to do with ‘who threw the first punch’.

 

Which extremist view came first?

I think that it's one side who came up with an extremist view, and the other side had to counter.

 

Bingo!

 

So you think the extremes on each side feel the way they do based on how the other side feels? Is that what you base your views on? You see what the other side thinks and you just think the opposite?

 

If there was nobody talking about letting men into the little girl's room, there would be no guys on the other side complaining about it. If there are no laws saying that we need to pay for the welfare state, we wouldn't have people complaining about the welfare state.

This isn't the most difficult idea to ever come down the pike.

 

Oh please.

Find a real issue to vent about

 

I forgot there are people like you who don’t care about helping people who are mentally or physically unable to support themselves.
And that you’re worried about all those men who will pretend they are women to go into the “little girls room”.

 

Yes, there are guys like me.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

BALANCE is part of every mix. Being creative is a great thing, for example inventing many new products and processes in my business has served me well. However, creativity also has to be functional. A revolutionary idea that is simply fantasy is of no value. Yes, many great ideas get criticized as useless in the beginning, and work out- but when it comes to philosophy for government, you can't go around testing every crackpot notion on the nation like you would test new plane or computer- and potentially wipe out the entire system. You have to know if something works before it can be the law of the land. A great many liberal views, and laws- are simply never going to work, and attempting to accommodate those endorsing them by discarding what is working now results in chaos and destruction of a working system rather than improving it. Wise men don't do that- but fools do.

Conservatives are conservative for a reason; they know that mistakes are dangerous to the future, and if you don't know what you are doing or where you are going, it's not going to turn out well. Experience teaches us to be conservative. Childish enthusiasm, along with the belief that people who have already been where you are going are fools and know nothing, is a recipe for disaster- and it is a recipe that is generally embraced by the liberal left. And they aren't listening at all today, they have decided that is just not necessary. They hate the idea of balance- they reject both common sense and any idea or messenger that doesn't agree with them. Sadly, they think with the same mental process as children.
We've never let children vote, knowing that the logic is immature. However, we have been too lenient in the process of raising children for several generations, and now we have immature adults, grown ups but not mature minds, threatening the very stability that all of us and the nation need. We are severely out of balance.

 

Glad to prove you would prefer to see people who aren’t mentally or physically able to care for themselves just die instead of helping them