The left will eventually take over America

Trump has signed off on the greatest public welfare spending in one year in the history of this country. But you'll apply a different metric to him, won't you?

Nixon pushed for a Universal Health Care program ... was he a "liberal"?

 

And topped out in 2012 and leveled off ... until Trump took office, then it took off again. We can all read the graph. You can pretend otherwise, but the data is clear. Trump's trade war backfired.

 

The Obama economy leveled off and trade leveled off with it. Trumps economy took off like a rocket and trade grew with that. His trade policies are the only thing that held the trade deficit in check.
Remember it was Obama who called 2% growth the new normal.

 

And again you dishonesty leave out the covid factor. The fact that you consistently have to be dishonest and leave out pertinent facts should tell you that your arguments are severely flawed. It amazes how leftist are so willing to lie to push their agenda but still somehow think their agenda is the proper route.

 

Your mathematical proof? Hahahaha! You can't even use Oaxaca-Ransom decomposition.

 

Nixon’s plan was a very far cry from government controlled healthcare and probably should be revisited. He had some excellent ideas but democrats killed his plan saying it didn’t go far enough

 

It’s been awhile since the last “libs are going to take over America” whine-fest. I was hopeful people were able to get over that crock of horse dung and move on but guess not. Apparently there are still people who think libs are THAT powerful as to take over the country. Doesn’t say much for those who call themselves conservative that they could easily be steamrolled by liberals.

 

I would call Trump a liberal and Biden a Communist. I have posted many times in PF about deficit spending and I don't give Trump a pass on this.

I would call Nixon a terrible President. But I wouldn't call him a liberal.

 

It does seem right wingers think they can completely reinvent political economy. How is Biden a communist?

 

As I told the other poster, that's your take on it?

So too bad Drumpf is too incompetent to stop your rioting and arson?

Well that's a different take, I'll give you that.

 

Well I lived most of my live in VA and saw libs take over that State -- so looking at US demographics and extrapolating from what has happened left wingers will likely take over. The County I grew up in (Fairfax) is now a sanctuary Country. Gun confiscation is probably a year away. If you can take over VA, you can take over most States. You can dismiss concerns over this with comments like "whine-fest" etc. but maybe you never experienced double digit mortgage loans like people did under Jimmy Carter. Maybe you never saw fist fights occur in a gas station when you had to buy gas with odd/even rationing as happened under Jimmy Carter. Maybe you never paid Alternative Minimum Tax while actually working for a living (happened to me under Clinton). Think what you will experience if Biden wins with open borders and free health insurance for all. The reality is liberals are no longer liberals. You are a lite form of communism.

 

Only in this scenario, the right are the Tories and Loyalists, and a minority one at that. In our current age, the relevance of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the founders has as much relevance to the young (and the old judging by this forum) as one of Grandpa Simpson's rambling stories. The history of representative governments usually end in tyranny, and I'm not sure there are enough homeschooled kids of yours to reverse that.

 

I'm sure "tRUMP" (?) would be glad to send in the federal troops, but the areas that are having the problems are opposed to any interference in the rioting and anarchy. I don't think there is a historical precedent for this; local mayors and city councils are siding with the people burning their cities down.

What's your strategy on this? I'm really curious as to how you think this ends well for your communities.

 

The only people who really get to do that are the super rich. Otherwise your "retirement" will be worthless.

 

Do you know anything about Biden's economic plan? He stated he would "put an end to the era shareholder capitalism." I call that communism. What do you call it?

BTW, if you plan to retire or are retired you may be one of those shareholder capitalists. One day some liberal President may look at your retirement account and say "you didn't build that."

 

Two aspects here. First, that's not communism. That refers to an outcome where evolutionary progress ends the need for socialism. Second, you are deliberately misrepresenting what Biden said. He was referring to ending "the idea [that] the only responsibility a corporation has is to its shareholders". Adam Smith, given his focus on moral sentiments, would have agreed if he knew about corporations. Is Smith a communist too?

 

Its over! The left will dominate eventually but the victory will be bittersweet as they run the country into the ground. People from here will be illegally crossing into Mexico (and they won't be getting freebies there either). Have fun! Enjoy freedom while it lasts!

 

Almost all of the supporters of totalitarian models are usually liquidated shortly after a totalitarian government is securely in place. That is not exactly a "good" thing, but when people get what they ask for and deserve it is not all bad. The fate of the Kronstadt sailors comes to mind.

"When, finally, during the Kronstadt
rebellion, the Soviets revolted against the party dictatorship and
the incompatibility of the new councils with the party system
became manifest, he decided almost at once to crush the councils,
since they threatened the power monopoly of the Bolshevik
party. The name 'Soviet Union' for post-revolutionary Russia has
been a lie ever since, but this lie has also contained, ever since,
the grudging admission of the overwhelming popularity, not of
the Bolshevik party, but of the soviet system which the party
reduced to impotence."
ON REVOLUTION, Hannnah Arendt, Penguin Classics, NY, NY, 2006. p. 257, 258.
https://archive.org/stream/OnRevolution/ArendtOn-revolution_djvu.txt

 

These totalitarian rioting twits will never win in the USA.
Election Is Coming

 

The easiest way to understand how socialism will destroy America is to look at how its already destroying the major US cities now being run by socialists, often called 'democrats.'

A tree is known by the fruit it bears, and the tree of socialism bears rotten fruit.

 

I did see those things in the 70s and then those things were no more. In other words it was nothing lasting. The libs didn’t take over the country. Everything is going to be fine, the libs aren’t going to take over the country. Take a few breaths and have a drink to relax.

 

They were no more because of Reagan. But I hope you are right. Too early in the day for a drink.

 

@Josephwalker I'm neither right winged or left winged. I tend to feel often too pragmatic to be at the left, too idealist to be at the right. I have a deep distrust however for a lot of leftists, as I see them as people that in name of social justice, fight against fascism are able of incredible violence and wicked acts.
The study of the history of my country, France, and especially the revolution of 1789 also opened my eyes of how many cruel people were abusing their power in name of the ideals of the revolution. I really fear the left, and the violence they're capable of, always dressed in apparently noble ideals obviously.

I find comfort in one thing however, that's an idea you find embodied in Buddhism as "impermanence", you can find also a similar notion in that Bible sentence "you are dust and to dust you shall return".
Many times, some people tried to control societies as a whole, obviously there was the different fundamentalist (Christianity, Islam), but also in political project (French revolution, communism, obviously fascism), and they always failed. Even when the Catholic was at the summit of their might, they didn't managed to control society as much as they wanted, the same for communism.

And that's where I find comfort, dogmatic ideologist, authoritarian systems, they will one day or another fall to ash.

The last point is that, the left have often, if not always, be the useful idiots of other people. During the revolution, they were used by a part of the bourgeoisie to fight against the nobility, during communism, they ended to be the purged by the Stalinian, in the 70's revolution in Iran, they first allied to the islamic militia before being erased from existence by the later.

Considering the near future, the fall will happen in the next decades. Left or right, as far as I know, you can't prevent the current economic system to fall in pieces for a variety of causes. The west is already dead, huge amount of debt, very few factories left, declining birth rate. I doubt the left as we know it, and it's likely that the right would follow the same path, would survive it.

 

Exactly my point. Have you noticed the trend starting with Truman, for the most part, eight years with a Dem, then eight years with a Repub, then eight with Dem then eight with Repub, rinse and repeat. No one party is going to just take over the country. There is a reason the founding fathers set up our govt the way they did. I know I’m grateful for their foresight and genius.

 

Two aspects here. First, its an incoherent whine about Dems. Second, you clearly do not understand what socialism means.