The Long, Uneasy Wait Is Over: Parties, Protests And Solemn Silence Greet Brexit

Sure, sure. All those council house dwellers are thoroughly disappointed that they can't go live in their house on the Costa del Sol anymore.

 

Very important point you made. I am so pleased that I spent the extra money to stay in the German system, and having a US health insurance.
The US is extreme costly. But since I am at retiring age my German insurance, not private, will cover me anywhere in the EU, at a cost, which is less than Medicare in the US and it is 100% all around.
My US partner, will get 1250 a month SSI, Medicare with a Plan B will cost more than $400 a month, 100% coverage, in the State, don't leave the State and get sick.
I, as a German, pay in Germany, 198 Euros, retired with 65, 100% everything, were ever I live in Europe, no restrictions, 60% of the world included.
I bought a very nice property in Portugal, 10 hectares of land, 40 acres or so, very nice house, a Villa !!!!!, haha.
For under 200k.
I have a Villa, I am elite now, finally, took over 60 years.
Oh boy.

 

It would, because they could roll over their plan to the country they reside and the cost exchange is now gone. Now the NHS will be burdened with over 4 million Brits, which live abroad, in the EU.
Same problem I have living in the US, paying for two systems, or go bankrupt.
Simple as that

 

That’s what I tried to tell the previous poster. There is a common American culture found in all 50 states. Our union makes sense. But I said Portugal and Poland are different. A political unification of European countries makes no sense.

 

They lost the FREEDOM of movement. The just gogo to France and find a job. Like New York to California. Load up that U-Haul.
No, now they have to go through the same process I and my nephew have to do, a rather serious pain in the ars, difficult, expensive, time consuming. thousands of Dollars.
You have no idea.

 

Yes, I can see how poor and working class Brits (who can barely afford to get to London) will suffer terribly ... with all of that extra paperwork now needed for their European vacays. It's beyond tragic.

 

I really don't know what the financial cost to the average British taxpayer was to finance their EU membership or any and all of the advantages which it supposedly brought with it.

 

So that IS what it's all about. Ease of travel for the middle classes and elites.

Saying OMG seems wholly inadquate.

 

But that is the beauty of Europe. Portugal and Poland are different.
But those countries are a micro cosmos of the EU. You travel 100 miles and you have seen tasted or what ever like crossing a border.
Germany is the EU, till 1870 it was split up in over 50 Nations, for several hundred years. They united, they had to define a German language for official use and for school, High German, based on the Northern German, official language. They would have not been able to communicate.
Germany is the size of Colorado, but you can not travel 100 miles without reaching or being in a different language and culture set up, thousands of years old. Same for France, Spain or Italy or the Dutch. Take Belgium, 2 different people, with 2 different languages, but they are Belgium.
That is Europe, every country of Europe is a microcosms of the EU

 

You're literally complaining because you can't as easily buy a nice little vacay place somewhere fancy. Have you no shame at all?

 

No, its the ease to decide where in Europe I want to live, Citizensship
They lost that privilege.
They lost the privilege of Citizensship.

 

The UK payed 14 billions per year. In return they got around 7 Billions in direct subsidies back from the EU. An other 2 billions went directly to UK companies and research institutions, indirect subsidies.
So of the 14 billions, seven billions of direct subsidies and around 2 billion of indirect, flowed back into the UK.

 

Welcome to reality. None of us outside of Europe have that right - and less than 1% of humanity has the ability, even if they had the right.

You're literally complaining about loss of some 'comfort' privilege, that was only available to the privileged in the first place. Can you not see the profound awfulness of demanding your entire nation participates in a globalism experiment, just so that the privileged can get through customs faster?

 

I didn't say it would cost the NHS more. I said they could end up needing treatment in our already overburdened NHS.
It is not a purely middle class thing to retire in the EU, many working class people move to Spain and Portugal to take advantage of the cheap housing. Even if they can't afford to buy the rent is much cheaper than the UK. The average rent in the area my house is in rural central France is around 200 Euros a month. Even in the cheapest parts of England it is 3 times that. Retiring in France, Spain or Portugal means that your pension goes a lot further. The poorer EU countries in the Eastern Mediterranean are cheaper still.

 

Now you understand how great it is to be a part of the EU.
It is not a privilege it is a right.

 

No, I am a European Citizens, I am German. I have the privilege to reside in 27 Nations.

I am a European Citizens, get it. Because of it I have the ability to reside and live in all of those 27 countries.
If being a EU Citizens makes me privileged and elite, well so be it.

No one outside of the EU has those privileges, that's what makes the EU so special and important.
Its not a global experiment, its a European experiment.
Mind you the US needed a bloody civil war to get it done and no State has the freedom to leave, besides an orther civil war.

 

It's a right for middle class and elite Brits to own a house in France?

 

FFS enough of the ''elite'' crap. It has been explained to you numerous times that it can be considerably cheaper to live in many parts of the EU and working class people are able to take advantage of that. The elite have a holiday home in the sun and a house in the UK.
And yes it is a right granted to members of the EU which will no longer be granted to British people in a year's time.
This is what is referred to when we talk about freedom of movement. It is not all about holidays without visas or second homes for the rich.

 

To be clear, those states leaving isn't what started the war. SC declaring war on the US and states declaring for each side (or none at all) is what caused the war. The administration prior to Lincoln's and popular opinion was quite okay with states leaving. Hell, there were massive riots during the war becuase nobody in the North actually gave a **** about the South leaving and thought the war was just throwing away lives. The war reunited the country via conquest, not becuase secession was illegal in the 1st place.

 

It will be interesting to see how they do the switcheroo with the unanimity rule. The Yanks just called a ratifying convention and slyly dropped the rarification requirement from all states to 3/4. I can't see something like that working for the EU, and there isn't a chance the Visegrad nations approve such a move.

A Federal Europe could happen in an EU24 or EU25

 

Back to the border.
if there is the EU with their system, and the UK with their system (following a vote to leave remember, not stay joined) and a land border in between. Then there will be checks and regulations and paperwork of some kind between the two systems, as well as a system to deal with transgressions. Otherwise it will effectively be the EU and the UK staying joined, not 'leave' in the sense of what was voted for.
If anybody wishes to be unwise enough to ignore the historic, cultural and political implications of the particular border in Ireland, there is the sheer geography. 310 miles, and over 200 crossing points, way more that along the entire EU eastern border with the rest of the world. How is that sorted in practical terms?
The unanswered question to the brexiteers is now you've had nearly four years to sort it out, and many years before the referendum to contemplate the problem, what exactly is your solution to the border problem. Turn a blind eye and hope for the best? If brexiteers demand to have what they voted for which was to leave, does that secretly mean they voted for a completely open border?

 

That's what I am saying. That I would hope that countries would give some credit/ease the situation for those British already resident in their countries, in return for the same as regards non-British established in the UK.

As I understand it, some things are already in place to achieve this, as explained here:
https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/30...iving-in-the-eu-need-to-know-euronews-answers