The mentality of socialism versus capitalism

My favorite answer to that complaint is..

...... The fair comes to town once a year and you missed it boy!

 

Rich people in Rolling Hills don't mess around. They limit home construction to ranch style homes. It reminds me of towns in France.

 

"Circle of trust?" What are you talking about? I could guess.

 

Or start a business so they have an income.

 

So, um... You're saying that you think we shouldn't be able to own land?

 

A collective. A group of people you're deeply familiar with, and whom you know to be dependable and capable of supporting you in an hour of need - just as you ensure you're capable of supporting them in their hour of need. It's a circle ... of trust.

 

Sure, but why would you risk enterprise when you're still at the mercy of landlords? I mean if you're very very wealthy sure, but for mere mortals that would be a HUGE risk.

 

Not in the US they are not .. but do feel free to prove your claim

Doctors .. and who did you want to kill off early ?

Thats preposterous nonsense .. It is accepted scientific fact that the vax does not significantly prevent transmission

Certainly they can .. but the risk of harm from "long Covid" is far less than the risk from the vax .. this is especially true in Males age 16-29 as wekk,

Never listened to Joe .. but you have sure been sucking up the anti science Biden Fauci Propaganda .. and making some of your own stuff up that even Fauci is to silly to deny .. and that is saying something.

 

It has nothing to do with wealth. Being respectful and clean costs nothing. Some of the poorest places on earth are kept tidy.

Third world, urban area:


First world, urban area:

 

Yes, I thought so. Very few people have these relationships.

 

I don't prove the Holocaust to deniers, either.

Depends upon what you mean by "significantly." It depends upon how many shots, when they were given, the variant and the age and health of the individual.

Wrong, again. The risk with the vaccine is extremely low.

I was using this respirator when Fauci was saying masks weren't needed...


3M P100 respirator

You can't prove the vaccines aren't safe and effective.

 

You and I define terms differently.
Welfare helps people, lots of them.

 

Of course nobody should own land.
You have planet earth, and it’s inhabitants.
When every piece of land is ‘owned’ where do people go, the moon?

 

Should you own a house?

 

Your house ownership ought to be on land borrowed from wider society for the time you need to use it.
After that the land is used for need.
As I asked earlier, if every scrap of the planet is ‘owned’ where do the next people go, the moon?

 

So if a house stays in a family by way of inheritance after the death of family members and that house stays in that family for perpetual amount of time, then essentially that family owns the land that sits on.

Or do you think someone else deserves the house?

I learned long ago that there are things about reality that I don't necessarily like or agree with, but then I realized that things are the way they are and how I felt about them made no difference. In our world there is property ownership and that's just the way it is

 

You didn't understand "fair".
In fact you are still expecting every person to be ABLE to "grab life by the horns".
Did your father not notice WHY some people are not born equal???
You can't "create your own version" of life and then be criticised for not achieving enough to avoid needing help from the majority version. It is like saying "you were born with one leg but because you aren't working hard enough, you can't do a marathon". They become victims you blame for something they can't help.

You are still assuming that everyone can achieve as much as everyone else and that they don't because they aren't trying hard enough. When in fact they may be trying doubly hard and capable of achieving their full potential which is limited by a huge variety of difficulties which are NOT their fault to half of yours.

And before I leave this thread because I have found that the basic assumption that when people need help, it is their fault, to be so cruel, that it is this fundamental attitude which is now being challenged by minority groups who have been held back by countless ways over a long period of time, then slammed for not trying hard enough and so not deserving of community support. It is that example I gave a while ago of the servant who was never taught to read, being punished for not delivering a letter to the right place.

There is no way I can say this more clearly. The declaration that all men (meaning people) are born equal is a lie unless you, as I do, take it to mean "deserving of respect". and if that is what you mean, then it is clear a large segment of the USA are not practicing what they say they believe because they are not "respecting" all men equally. They are blaming some for NOT being equal and for what they cannot change.

So since I clearly cannot make you understand, I won't waste my time anymore discussing this.
But I have to say I have learned a lot about how some interpret man's humanity to man.

 

That should be the community.
Careful, you are moving toward socialism.

 

I just caught this and it encapsulates what I just wrote.

It doesn't matter how many "of us" are orphans, are blind, are disabled, have to care for family who are, who find learning difficult , are depressed, who have been defrauded etc etc .

If you believe that all men (sic) are created equal, then all men, no matter if they ae in a tiny minority, deserve the respect you give to the most respected member of the community at large.
You don't just wav them aside because there aren't many of them, and if they need help, you offer it.

Oddly this is what Crank was suggesting but only as a function of his small defined community... family or a town.
I am merely extending it to the country you live in and help design by elective law. I call it socialism. But Crank thinks socialism destroys community help, when in practical fact, socialism and what he proposes are the same thing.

 

There really are two Americas. There are the large cities and the rest of it. Many of the large cities are failing in every sense due to poor management. The rest of the nation is doing just fine.

Abortion is illegal in most countries. Our public education is a disaster in the large metro areas. It needs an overhaul. There are some nice things about Canada. You just need to go to Niagara Falls to see the difference. The American side is a small urban jungle and the Canadian side is neat, clean and attractive. I've never lived in Canada but I have opened a branch there and their government has some oppressive tendencies. It is a free first class country but people do not have as much freedom as Americans. Many Canadians move to the U.S. Not so many Americans move to Canada. But if I couldn't live in the U.S., I might well choose British Columbia, another beautiful place.

Perhaps you live in or near one of those large cities. There isn't much attacking going on around here.

Authoritarianism. Not a lot of it. Just enough to make me feel uncomfortable. I went as a tourist and felt like I was applying to a private club. Luckily I went to the mountains on the South Island so nobody followed me there other than the New Zealanders with whom I went climbing. Our starting point was Christchurch, the main city on the South Island. I never felt comfortable there. I had the same feelings in Germany and Japan as well. I chalked that up to our having been their enemies in WWII but New Zealand has always been an ally - an English speaking one at that. Breathtakingly beautiful place though. I wouldn't choose New Zealand as a home - Japan or Germany either. Perhaps things have changed. It has been a while since I have been in any of those countries.

 

You act as though capitalism and socialism are compatible. They can't exist in the same economy. Either business is in the hands of the public or it is in the hands of the state. Go visit Cuba. Everything that matters is run by the state. The people are left with small businesses and government programs. The Cubans are poor - very poor - except for the communist party members, of course. You can't have a little of each. And do not confuse greed with profit motive. Greed arises from jealousy and selfishness. Profit motive arises from a desire for a better life. Those who become wealthy do so with the help of other people that benefit directly from the effort. That is why capitalism is the only system proven to work time and again.

 

What you want is not socialism. It is increased government social spending. The last place government social spending should exist is in federal government. It has the responsibility to treat people equally, not choose winners and losers. Move all of that to state and local government where the public is closer to government. Or better, move it to the private sector where much of it is already working.

 

OK, so in your perfect dreamworld where such a thing comes to pass, what happens to the home and land I own now? Some jackbooted government thug comes and kicks me out of my own home at gunpoint?

You must not do much flying. There is so much available land out there that we likely won't fill it up for several millennia. If and when we do so, we can always build up and increase population densities, which is something we're already doing. But that won't affect owning things like condos, it's just instead of a single-family home situation, the land itself will be owned by the unit owners as a group.

 

So, you slave your entire life to "own" a piece of property that you don't really own and can't hand down to your kids? What kind of backassward thinking is that? Or is it really just rent that can never be paid off, like an apartment?

 

Quite a few people here have the opinion that as individuals they have to survive by their own efforts, no welfare and all that.
Inheriting a house is a freebie requiring no effort, it is a form of welfare that some anti socialists decry.
It is also a method by which inequality is cemented in.
As for the notion that we have to accept things because that’s the way it is, well we don’t accept everyday sexism now, even if women have had to suffer it for centuries, change can happen.