The Minimum Wage is a Bad Idea

Got to leave for the day, let me know how that would be different, and find me that job that pays minimum wage to skilled workers and you will have an argument. Otherwise stats say 86% of people who make minimum wage come from well off households, you know educated high school kids whose public schools werent horrible. Inner city unemployment has been really high since the minimum wage bumps. What is it, 40% among African Americans, and 70% in inner cities like Flint etc..?

 

My my, how full of questions you are, John. Best I just stick to answering them, since querying you is folly. But, my how nice, nay refreshing, it is to have a Rightie who's done some trial law. Trial Lawyers be praised!!!! Take your tort reform and shove it!!!

No, John, no tort law in my experience. But I did keep some of them god-awful spendy patent law attorney's on track, when the company I was exec-veep for was hit with a frivolous claim of patent infringement, which seemed to me to be little more than using stupid in-house counsel to find some Rembrandts in the attic. And spendy as they were, they missed it entirely. But, I brought them back round to the crux, and we prevailed, with far fewer billable hours. Being in business helps if you understand, to a fair degree, the basics of laws governing your practices.

Then, and it was real stupid, I was falsely arrested and charged with a crime, and the righteous indignation led to a bit of foolishness, nay retardation, by me. I was sorta hung up on my right to face my accuser, and would not be denied it nor allow an agent to exact my revenge for me. So I had some months to consume rules of evidence in a criminal trial, and the satisfaction of b-slapping a city attorney, who had wood the size of Cleveland thinking he'd have a field day taking on some dweeb appearing pro se.

But that's the extent of my tangential experience on matters of law. So I bow to your superior schooling on the many minutia.

That answer your question?

 

Been there myself, thank god for defense attorneys. I wasnt a tort lawyer, we were being sued by a government agency.

 

1. Darnit; I have fondness for tort lawyers; it protects the little guy.

2. Tsk, tsk. Your company was brought into a multi-million dollar suit by a government agency, that was held up in the original trial, and only saved in appellate court? What on earth did you do to attract that kind of attention? I shudder to think.

 

1. I agree. You wont hear tort reform from me, you will hear civil procedure reform though.
2. I didnt do a thing. Neither did they. Some people can't understand laws, thank goodness for an appellate system.

Can't find any? I saw a notice in my email and I checked, but nothing so far.

 

Not sure if I can or can't. What are we talking about? And I assume you wish it sent via the PM feature herein?

Thanks,
-ag

 

no i meant i get email alerts when there is a post but I come back and see no answer to the skilled job paying minimum wage

 

Sorry; I missed one of your questions did I, John? What a heal I am!! Hahahahahahahaha. John, you're killing me.

Anyway, what's a skilled job, John. Barista? Burger flipper? Folks who can take your return at Home Depot, or find just the right ink cartridge for you at Office Max?

You see, John, jobs are jobs, and people are people, so we have to decide what, at a minimum, companies can pay our people, and expect a day's work out of them. The skills, either brought or learned, are a given. If they don't have or cannot get them, their days of the snappy vest and cool name tags are few.

It's how it works.

Meanwhile, back in the society, we go to great expense giving people skills. 12.5 years of ed, so they can read the monitor while flipping McD's burgers, and make change, when selling Happy Meals, and such. Plus, roads, transit, and tons of other spendy stuff, bringing products and customer to market, and workers to and from the job site. So some payback via taxes, and a decent wage to keep the popsicle stand functioning, is not so unreasonable, what with more than half of all govmint spending, directly benefitting business.

 

Only wives get that level of client relations.

 

what is the minimum wage in america?

 

$7.25 / hr

 

its £6.10 or something here

 

So about $9.35 US; about like Washington state, which is $9.20. Here we have a Federal Minimum, but state can be higher, but no lower, than the Federal Minimum.

 

Lower for teens though, why is that? Got work programme for people who cant earn a minimum wage? Different then America, your system is better in some respects then our current system.

 

... than our current system. Your fiancée can thank me for doing some her work for her.

 

She cracked up when I told her what you had said. I think you meant "Your fiancée can thank me for doing some of her work for her."

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She cracked up when I told her what you had said. I think you meant "Your fiancée can thank me for doing some of her work for her."

 

I dont know why its lower for teens, you have to be 21 and in the job for 6 months to qualify, there are work programmes but theyre crap and exploitative really imo.

 

Touche mon ami!

 

NOt BSing you at all, I would like to hear your perspective on work programmes if you could. I only have the American understanding of your policy and you can imagine...

They have it lower for teens so they can gain job skills with the understanding that their labor is initially worth less money. I think your system fixes a lot of the flaws in ours, it would be a great improvement on how we do minimum wage.

 

Plus, we do the same.

Da law, for folks who hire folks (good to know):

"The Act requires employers of covered employees who are not otherwise exempt to pay these employees a minimum wage of not less than $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009. Youths under 20 years of age may be paid a minimum wage of not less than $4.25 an hour during the first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer."

 

Well I will have to check that out. In Florida that is not the law except for tipped employees.

So do you think that is a good idea?

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Well I will have to check that out. In Florida that is not the law except for tipped employees.

So do you think that is a good idea?

 

1. I think your under 20s can be paid your state minimum ($6.15) for 90 days (calendar). But then the Federal minimum applies, bringing them up to where 20/over are paid, pursuant to Federal Law: $7.25

2. No; I don't like it and can see how it might be exploited creating turnover of employees, to make room for some 19 year old or younger worker, who they can pay half for another 90 days.

If the company needs any worker, they'll need to train them in an entire range of company specific policies and procedures. I've been brought in as Marketing VP in the 6 figure range, and can tell you, the first 2 or 3 months, near $50 grand, was to learn the products, markets and what the company was doing already.

It's pure BS and a gift to the business lobby, which itself was serving the bottom-feeders in its association. It does next to nothing for the society, IMO.

 

Those types of abuses do make sense.

 

Perhaps. I can see how a bottom feeder might, and it's unclear how workers in retail over the holidays, or some brought into Disney World over the summer might be effected.

My issue with it is the absurd contention that younger employees require training, when let's be honest, we all do when joining a new firm. It just takes time for folks to come up to speed, me included. So the need (unique if young) is questionable, and I see little to no benefit, while abuses may occur.

Thus, I'd give it a thumbs-down, in honor of the recent passing of Roger Ebert.

 

You probably have an education that makes you a good risk. It is a job skill. I looked it up we have the same
Under 20 provisions in Florida. I was wrong there. But it is shorter. Florida has a higher then federal minimu wage most years or the same other years. But argument isn't for a different minimum wage for teens it is for no minimum wage altogether though. That was the game me and Archie started in the atlas thread otherwise I would be able to add my negative income tax argument to this which hammers out some issues.

I will look into that program a bit more. I thought it would be superior to welfare with a work requirement. I support something different though if I had it my way, but workfare always seemed a little appealing to me.